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    Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017

    So, this is technically dicta, right? Assuming I'm write there, does dicta still create law of the case? (I would think it does?)pic.twitter.com/kdpTdNsKag

    6:31 PM - 9 Feb 2017
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      2. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        So, everyone saying, "It's restating the states' evidence, then restating existing law," then what's the point? A message to DOJ or Robart?

        7 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        Because DOJ was saying it shouldn't be considered, and Robart seemed, at least somewhat, to be agreeing.

        2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      4. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        FYI: Here's where I ended on this for now. Thanks for chatting, all. https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/appeals-court-ruling-to-come-today-in-justice-department-req?utm_term=.ycPRZvm49A#.ab1z54woOa …pic.twitter.com/V1hkokojzd

        2 replies 3 retweets 16 likes
      5. Oliver Thoenen‏ @jathoenen 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        fragment here at live link...pic.twitter.com/2hqC0ujw7I

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      6. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @jathoenen

        It should be fixed when it re-cycles.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Oliver Thoenen‏ @jathoenen 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        10-4 | waiting to share with my nonlawyer FB peoples ("what does it mean, what does it mean, etc)

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. sarah jeong‏Verified account @sarahjeong 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        agree with other replies here, it's reiterating states' arguments + applicable precedent

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. sarah jeong‏Verified account @sarahjeong 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @sarahjeong @chrisgeidner

        like, i guess we could call it dicta, but why call it dicta when it exists in solid form outside this opinion?

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      4. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @sarahjeong

        Contra: Mightn't Justice argue that plainly applying those three rulings to a national security EO ~IS~ expanding the law?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. sarah jeong‏Verified account @sarahjeong 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        otoh that section ends with "we reserve consideration of these claims until the merits of this appeal have been fully briefed"

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @sarahjeong

        Yes. That's my whole point!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Matthew Segal‏Verified account @segalmr 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner @sarahjeong

        Even if dicta, it could influence discovery on remand; it suggests states should be allowed to probe intent.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Brenda L Barnes‏ @BrendaLBarnes 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        Assuming you're right there?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @BrendaLBarnes

        WHEW. Long day.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Andrew Crespo‏Verified account @AndrewMCrespo 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        Dicta isn't law of the case because it isn't law at all. But this will still carry great weight w/in CA9 for rest of the case.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @AndrewMCrespo

        You gave the first answer to the question I posed, so you win the award for the day. ;-)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Andrew Crespo‏Verified account @AndrewMCrespo 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        Is there a prize? Maybe I'll start trying this with my law students...

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      5. Ian‏ @ieppler 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @AndrewMCrespo @chrisgeidner

        having a criminal law doctrine temporarily named after us is prize enough!

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Sarah‏ @sarahcycles 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        dicta talks about questions on which the court wasn't specifically asked to rule

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 9 Feb 2017
        Replying to @sarahcycles

        Not quite. Dicta is anything not essential to the ruling.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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