Hmmm. True, there's not a lot of that in the ~modern~ era.
I don't know what you think we disagree on, but we don't. I agree w what you are saying, was trying to say so myself.
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ah, sorry, probably I just glommed on to a normative word
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I was attempting to say "that's what ~they~ say" v. "this is what's happening" in, what appears to be, a v inartful way.
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