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    Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Sep 19

    I really need to make a macro for this. PR people, do better than claiming something is “embargoed” when ... it’s not.pic.twitter.com/PEKpvUSkRe

    10:18 AM - 19 Sep 2018
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      2. Mikelle Street‏Verified account @MikelleStreet Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        wait... I feel like if it says embargo in the subject line that's fine. because you know prior to opening the email.

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      3. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Sep 19
        Replying to @MikelleStreet

        You certainly can respect someone’s desire for an embargo, but if they sent you the information before you agreed to an embargo, you’re agreeing to the embargo is totally voluntary.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Mikelle Street‏Verified account @MikelleStreet Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        really? i've always been led to believe opening an email that is labeled as embargoed is agreeing to the embargo.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Sep 19
        Replying to @MikelleStreet

        There is nothing formal or legal about embargoes of off-the-record. It’s not like terms of service or something. It’s a voluntary agreement. If they send you something without reaching an agreement first, they’ve just sent it to you hoping you’ll respect the agreement.

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      6. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner @MikelleStreet

        Of course, you can have preexisting relationships with people such that it’s understood that you will accept and adhere to such embargoes. But that’s different from unsolicited pitches.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Mikelle Street‏Verified account @MikelleStreet Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        idk this feels weird. it seems to infer that there is not an understanding in the industry at large that journalists should adhere to embargoes. but to each their own.

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      2. think‏ @thinkkaz Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        If in the initial contact they say it’s “embargoed,” then yes it is. Similar to you talking to someone & saying it’s off the record. Reminder to media, don’t be assholes just because you think you can.

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      3. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Sep 19
        Replying to @thinkkaz

        That’s not how an embargo works. If you send me information, I can do what I want with it. Agreeing to an embargo, like agreeing to be off-the-record, is not something that one party can just declare.

        1 reply 2 retweets 2 likes
      4. think‏ @thinkkaz Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        Now you’re just telling your self lies. Agree both parties need to agree, but if one person says this is off the record or embargoed, proceeds to tell you something before you say you disagree, it should be held.

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      5. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Sep 19
        Replying to @thinkkaz

        That’s not how an agreement works. An agreement needs to be agreed to by both parties.

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      6. Jim‏ @Dangerclose001 Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner @thinkkaz

        I think same rules in law enforcement. If a suspect says "Ok, you guys can't use this against me but I killed that guy." I don't think law enforcement is going to feel bound by that. But if they make an agreement to not use his statement - then that's different.

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      7. think‏ @thinkkaz Sep 19
        Replying to @Dangerclose001 @chrisgeidner

        Oh dear, you’re going with the law enforcement analogy. Appreciate the laugh I was able to share with the office. Truly, that was #TrumpTheMoron stuff.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. Jim‏ @Dangerclose001 Sep 19
        Replying to @thinkkaz @chrisgeidner

        Fine, apply it to any business agreement. Actually, give me an example of any other agreement where the other parties lack of demurral implies affirmation.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. think‏ @thinkkaz Sep 19
        Replying to @Dangerclose001 @chrisgeidner

        Literally gave two. PR where embargoed is used & off the record for interviews. But I have no time for you any further, as you’ve outed yourself as a #TrumpTheMoron

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      1. Brad Heath‏Verified account @bradheath Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        "Fortunately for you, we don't plan to cover this ever."

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      1. Carrie Ghose‏ @carrieghose Sep 19
        Replying to @chrisgeidner

        We’ve been getting pitched with an embargoed release announcing the company has been chosen for a local initiative. The company is listed on said initiative’s “approved vendor” list that was released a month ago.

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