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Legal Editor, @BuzzFeedNews. SCOTUS Correspondent. Nat Sec Team, covering Trump & Mueller. Sober. Gay. Buckeye. Law Dork. DMs open. chris.geidner@buzzfeed.com

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    1. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Jul 9

      Chris Geidner Retweeted Zoe Tillman

      Meanwhile, a big loss in court for the Trump administration —>https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1016480553296646145 …

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      Zoe TillmanVerified account @ZoeTillman
      BREAKING: A judge has rejected the Trump administration's bid to change a 1997 settlement that limits how long kids can be held in immigration detention — getting that settlement changed was a central part of Trump's executive order last month https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/trump-immigration-family-separation-court-flores-reject?utm_term=.prO7oN6Rn#.qoxo1Jaey … pic.twitter.com/XSdCtTQdcC
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    2. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Jul 9

      A confounding statement from DOJ on tonight’s Flores ruling:pic.twitter.com/NSML0YjE0M

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    3. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
      Replying to @chrisgeidner

      Not at all. A few of us predicted this when the Executive Order was issued. It had so many "to the extent allowed by law"-style caveats that it was basically setting the stage for "oh well I guess we have to take the children because the mean old court won't allow otherwise." ...

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    4. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
      Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner

      I'm not entirely convinced that the DOJ lawyer wasn't told "Don't try to hard to win now, wink wink" before being sent to court.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
      Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner

      The sentence about the court "acknowledging that parents won't be released" is the giveaway here. This was the desired result--or at least *a* desired result--all along. Say that there is nothing stopping them from imprisoning parents, then say "but we can't hold children...

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    6. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
      Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner

      ...b/c of Flores," and the only possible move forward is to separate the families and blame it on the court, because if the court wanted to order the *parents* to be released it could've, but oh look it didn't, so what's a poor law-abiding President to do?

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    7. Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Jul 9
      Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs

      None of that is news; it is (aside from the “throwing the case” allegation) what we’ve been saying since the day the order was signed. https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/trump-just-signed-something-about-children-being-separated?utm_term=.txKzqPzQB#.pi428Y2nM … // The point is that this ignores the existence of the other injunction, issued by Judge Sabraw. https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/the-trump-administration-is-struggling-to-find-separated?utm_term=.lpVLpvLnK#.dt7pWNpoJ …

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    8. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
      Replying to @chrisgeidner

      Agreed, but again, not unusual. @TheJusticeDept seldom addresses more than one case at a time in public statements. It mirrors the posture taken in individual cases. To a DOJ lawyer, nothing outside the 4 corners of a particular case exists unless it furthers the govt's argument.

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    9. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
      Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner @TheJusticeDept

      Not being snarky here (for a change). I challenge you to find a single DOJ press release from the last several years that addresses a court decision & mentions another case *at all*. They do exist, but they're rare, and I can't even think of one where the other case...

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    10. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
      Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner @TheJusticeDept

      wasn't one that the gov't won, where the entire reason for mentioning it was to implicitly (or occasionally explicitly) criticize the judge for not following it.

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      Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner Jul 9
      Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @TheJusticeDept

      OK, I get what you’re saying now, but I still think that is missing the reality here, which is that by ignoring the other case they’re ignoring part of the current legal landscape in which they have to implement both the Flores agreement and the new injunction.

      8:26 PM - 9 Jul 2018
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        2. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
          Replying to @chrisgeidner @TheJusticeDept

          I don't disagree, but my point is that this is nothing new. This is simply how they operate. I've made the argument many times that "by ignoring the other case they're ignoring part of the current legal landscape" & sometimes I win, and sometimes I lose, ...

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        3. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
          Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner @TheJusticeDept

          but what *never* happens is that they change their practice and start acknowledging that the world outside exists. To a degree, that's just good lawyering; you analogize to favorable cases and distinguish unfavorable cases. But DOJ takes it to a whole new level.

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        4. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
          Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner @TheJusticeDept

          And mark my words, if people (read, reporters, or possibly Congressmen) start pushing the issue, "I don't comment on ongoing litigation" will come out faster than the questioner can finish the sentence. But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know first-hand. :)

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        5. National Security Counselors‏ @NatlSecCnslrs Jul 9
          Replying to @NatlSecCnslrs @chrisgeidner @TheJusticeDept

          <Checks "mansplained something on the Internet" off the list for today>

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