People are asking what happened with my daughter. She got in. She had many strengths. She wrote a brilliant essay on what it's like to grow up half-Asian in the U.S. (so much for Dad's advice). She was a legacy candidate, which counterbalanced the too-many-Asians problem.
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Is it really broken ? Haven't ivies undergrad always been a place for the selection and social grooming of potential and current young elites ? Or is it that contrary to the old literature focus, today social theory program is no so much useless as harmful ?
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Harvard's curriculum in 1961-65 was still just fine. None of the bullshit had come on campus yet. Great scholars teaching the best that had been said and written.
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I came to the same conclusion, more or less. In 1970.
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Your's was a youthful impulse, mine a decision borne of mature consideration.
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You surely know better than I, but my sense is that Postmodernist insanity permeates virtually every state school now, too. It has been allowed free rein for far too long, spreading like a virus to all corners.
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Curious if technical schools are included in that, like MIT and Cal Tech?
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MIT is starting to cave, though. Take a look at their recent hires and policies. It's eye-opening.
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For the liberal arts, Hillsdale and the Baylor Great Books and Honors programs are good. Probably some state schools have similar programs. I'm a Yale man, but I told my daughter not to apply to Yale. U. of Chicago is still good.
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Hillsdale College has very high standards. Does not take one cent from government and can't be controlled by government.
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My impression is that schools like Chicago or Johns Hopkins, or tech giants like MIT and Cal Tech, are still strong and largely avoid the entitled students, while some of those state schools have departments that are every bit as Orwellian as the Ivies.
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Stick to the hard sciences/engineering to be safe, as I suspect that the social science and lib arts depts at most all higher ed schools are overrun with narrow-minded, ideologically-blinkered, Puritans-of-the-Left. Danger! Danger Will Robinson!
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Elite universities (at the undergrad level) confer more marginal gains in prestige and connections than in academic skill sets. It’s possible that upon reflection this still makes elite colleges the better long-term choice.
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Except their brains get fried in the process... time for a different approach to post secondary. In addition to poisonous ideology, the costs in the US are ridiculous. It’s a complete scam.
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Agreed! We are in the process of looking with my daughter (109% Chinese) and are facusing on liberal arts schools in Midwest and lesser known New England. Steering far from ivies etc.
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As someone who’s attending an Ivy, I recommend considering them. I understand what you’re worried about, but I also can assure you that the issue is often exaggerated based on sampling bias. If she has the qualifications, applying would be a great decision (esp. to Dartmouth!)
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She has the qualifications but for a variety of reasons I really don’t think she’d be happy in an Ivy or similar small school like Wliiams or Amherst.
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Okay, but perhaps suggest to her that she look into them. I think it would be a serious mistake to dismiss them out of hand.
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you underestimate a middling state school's ability to deliver frighteningly subpar educations. yes, they lack the qualities you're trying to avoid, but woah boy do they pile on their own misery
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A lot of research schools in the midwest are fantastic, I guess it just depends on what topic you are trying to study really.
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this always applies to some degree: departments are the granularity you want to target, but they're still contingent on the broader system's bureaucracy.
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