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Husband, father, social scientist, writer, Madisonian. Or maybe right-wing ideologue, pseudoscientist, evil. Opinions differ.

Burkittsville, MD
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    Charles Murray‏ @charlesmurray Oct 18

    This is the first explanation I've seen for the survival of a genetic basis for male homosexuality that seems plausible. @SteveStuWill? @gcochran99?https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611946/genes-linked-to-being-gay-may-help-straight-people-get-more-sex/?utm_campaign=social_button&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-10-18 …

    11:06 AM - 18 Oct 2018 from Maryland, USA
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    17 replies 39 retweets 85 likes
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      2. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Oct 19
        Replying to @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill

        " The intraclass correlations for peptic ulcer disease for MZ twins reared apart and together and DZ twins reared apart and together were 0.67, 0.65, 0.22, and 0.35, respectively. " But nobody gets it without h. pylori.

        1 reply 5 retweets 20 likes
      3. Eduardo Alvarez‏ @EdAlvarezB Oct 19
        Replying to @gcochran99 @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill

        So an infectious vector at play?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Oct 19
        Replying to @EdAlvarezB @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill

        Well, possibly. It could explain the mysteriously high prevalence, the associated mental illness, the high MZ twin discordance. Almost everything is heritable. but that can include syndromes with non-genetic key causal links.

        2 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
      5. Stilton Cheesewright‏ @StiltonCheesew Oct 20
        Replying to @gcochran99 @JayMan471 and

        Could male homosexuality be a form of innate altruism? Like birds warning kin of predator? Fewer males competing for mates within population means less murder and war, enhancing fitness of population. Could explain relation to birth order.

        4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Oct 20
        Replying to @StiltonCheesew @JayMan471 and

        No.

        0 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
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      2. Craig Howard‏ @CraigHoward6 Oct 18
        Replying to @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill @gcochran99

        And then, perhaps, sexual attraction — if we were able to measure it — might show a normal distribution from exclusively heterosexual to exclusively homosexual with the vast majority showing varying attraction to both.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Oct 19
        Replying to @CraigHoward6 @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill

        In much the same way, it might be that some people like to eat rocks, while others prefer cheeseburgers, with most somewhere in-between.

        0 replies 4 retweets 14 likes
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      2. Paul Kearney‏ @leary_4 Oct 18
        Replying to @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill @gcochran99

        Why does homosexuality persist? Why does the newest most efficient steel plant predictably produce bad batches of steel? Any successful system allows for error in the case of humanity it is how the genome learns.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Oct 18
        Replying to @leary_4 @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill

        Which is why a couple of percent of people are born blind, or born deaf, or born with a fucked-up liver, kidneys, pancreas, heart, stomach, etc. All of which systems are more complicated than being interested in the opposite sex.

        2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
      4. Paul Kearney‏ @leary_4 Oct 18
        Replying to @gcochran99 @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill

        Did I miss something or was that entire mega study based on 23 and me results which samples a very small portion of the genome. It's almost more of a thought exercise than anything else.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Fatoosh‏ @Fatooosh34 Oct 18
        Replying to @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill @gcochran99

        twin studies have disproven the existence of a gene that determines the subjective features of erotic attraction. there is no gay gene or straight gene or bi gene.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. ziel‏ @yourlyingeyes Oct 18
        Replying to @Fatooosh34 @charlesmurray and

        twin studies show a 25% concordance among homosexual MZ twins - that hardly eliminates genetic contributions

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Fatoosh‏ @Fatooosh34 Oct 18
        Replying to @yourlyingeyes @charlesmurray and

        75% are discordant; the inclination to find the oppo sex sexually unappealing prob has some BASIS but is not determined. if it was the concordance rate would be at least in the 90% but it's way less than half.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Oct 18
        Replying to @Fatooosh34 @yourlyingeyes and

        Not determined by genes alone: but likely determined by something.

        2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      6. A B‏ @orerbanator Oct 19
        Replying to @gcochran99 @Fatooosh34 and

        by what?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Fatoosh‏ @Fatooosh34 Oct 19
        Replying to @orerbanator @gcochran99 and

        Behavior family society hormones friends etc etc

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. KCDC‏ @VaughnBeethoven Oct 18
        Replying to @charlesmurray @SteveStuWill @gcochran99

        I would think that a hyperactive sex drive would lead to more success at producing heirs, but also could divert to other expressions of sexuality such as homosexuality. Hasn't this been advanced before?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. JJ‏ @julesjacobs89 Oct 18
        Replying to @VaughnBeethoven @charlesmurray and

        Unlikely, because hyperactive sex drive doesn't automatically lead to more offspring but may in fact lead to fewer, and second, homosexuality is not caused by a hyperactive sex drive because if that were the case then gays would be having sex with women too.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. KCDC‏ @VaughnBeethoven Oct 18
        Replying to @julesjacobs89 @charlesmurray and

        "May lead to fewer" does not negate the possibility of more offspring on average Hyperactive could easily lead to more gay and straight sex, fitting the survey data cited I never said "caused" - just noted that I think it has been proposed as a factor

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. JJ‏ @julesjacobs89 Oct 18
        Replying to @VaughnBeethoven @charlesmurray and

        Evolution gave us eyelashes because those who did not have eyelashes got things in their eyes and had fewer offspring. That's orders of magnitude less influential than sex drive, so the notion that evolution hasn't correctly tuned sex drives is extremely unlikely.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. JJ‏ @julesjacobs89 Oct 18
        Replying to @julesjacobs89 @VaughnBeethoven and

        Secondly, even if we do accept that notion, you still have to explain why you think that gay genes improve fitness in this particular way, rather than the millions of other possibilities.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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