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Husband, father, social scientist, writer, Madisonian. Or maybe right-wing ideologue, pseudoscientist, evil. Opinions differ.

Burkittsville, MD
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    1. Charles Murray‏ @charlesmurray Sep 25

      Robert Plomin, one of the biggest names in behavioral genetics, has just published a book on recent developments in genetics and heritability. It's called Blueprint and is written for a general audience. https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1537903352&sr=1-1 … Here are two early reviews:

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    2. Charles Murray‏ @charlesmurray Sep 25

      Nature magazine, often said to be the most prestigious science journal in the world, published this one. You can tell by the review's disinterested, scholarly tone:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06784-5 …

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      Charles Murray‏ @charlesmurray Sep 25

      @QuilletteM published this one, by Greg Cochran, polymath and a curmudgeon's curmudgeon (I speak as an authority): https://quillette.com/2018/09/25/forget-nature-versus-nurture-nature-has-won/ …. Hard to believe the two reviews are discussing the same book. Read Blueprint and decide for yourself.

      12:37 PM - 25 Sep 2018 from Maryland, USA
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        2. Ben Turner‏ @BT_BXL Sep 25
          Replying to @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          Quillette magazine, sometimes mistaken for a science journal, published this one. You can tell by the review's embrace of what are still emerging results from a fast developing field as proof of old prejudices.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 18h18 hours ago
          Replying to @BT_BXL @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          We ( by which I mean me) have known the basic results for decades., The detailed genetics , genetic risk scores and such, is the only new part. I follow this work. Maybe you don't.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. Ben Turner‏ @BT_BXL 18h18 hours ago
          Replying to @gcochran99 @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          But why do you follow this work seeing as you do not believe that anything truly new or interesting can come out of it and you "have known the basic results for decades"? That's not how science works is it?

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        5. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 18h18 hours ago
          Replying to @BT_BXL @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          I didn't say nothing new could come from it. We, which means not you, have known about the strength of genetic influences and the unimportance of family influences for many years, from adoption & twin studies, etc. Now we know something about the genetic details.

          1 reply 2 retweets 10 likes
        6. Ben Turner‏ @BT_BXL 16h16 hours ago
          Replying to @gcochran99 @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          So maybe you or the Quillette sub-editor should have titled your article: "New book tells us nothing new about whether complex human outcomes are related to genetic differences"?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 11h11 hours ago
          Replying to @BT_BXL @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          As I said, the genetic risk score stuff is new. It disproves some old criticisms of twin studies, since it shows that very different methods produce similar estimates of heritability. Of course those precious criticisms were tendentious anyhow. And it opens new doors.

          1 reply 2 retweets 8 likes
        8. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 11h11 hours ago
          Replying to @gcochran99 @BT_BXL and

          Using ancient DNA, we should eventually be able to estimate intelligence in past civs.

          7 replies 10 retweets 34 likes
        9. Charles Murray‏ @charlesmurray 4h4 hours ago
          Replying to @gcochran99 @BT_BXL @QuilletteM

          THAT would be cool.

          0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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        2. DKlondt‏ @dklndt Sep 25
          Replying to @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          Isn't everyone sick already of the pictures of left-handed DNA? Why is it so difficult to remember the basic fact of the common DNA structure and mirror an image if necessary? @gcochran9

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Sep 29
          Replying to @dklndt @charlesmurray and

          I did not create or choose that picture. Editors do things to you, against your will.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Sep 29
          Replying to @gcochran99 @dklndt and

          Horrible things, like stepping on the punch line.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Charles Murray‏ @charlesmurray Sep 30
          Replying to @gcochran99 @dklndt and

          Or even worse, editing.

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        6. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Sep 30
          Replying to @charlesmurray @dklndt and

          They have no shame.

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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        2. Philodata‏ @philowisdomMD Sep 26
          Replying to @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          Read them both. The Nature review is far more level headed and in line with what we understand from epigenetics and natural experiments (like populations being exposed to new forms of protein etc). To believe that genes dictate everything is to ignore the history of progress.

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        3. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Sep 27
          Replying to @philowisdomMD @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          Epigenetic effects from incredible hardships inflicted on recent past generations, such as mass starvation and Japanese invasion, are why the Chinese score so poorly n standardized tests. It is not their fault.

          4 replies 3 retweets 18 likes
        4. Philodata‏ @philowisdomMD Sep 27
          Replying to @gcochran99 @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          So your assumptions of epigenetic responses to particular experiences is evidence of something? Other than your bias that is of course

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        5. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Sep 27
          Replying to @philowisdomMD @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          A. The phenom, inheritance of acquired traits, doesn't exist in humans B. If did exist, you'd see it manifest in people that experienced far worse shit over the 20th than any American. Nobody does. C. It's bullshit. D. I should respect obvious bullshit? Why?

          1 reply 2 retweets 11 likes
        6. Philodata‏ @philowisdomMD Sep 27
          Replying to @gcochran99 @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          Do epigenetics exist as a form of inter generational information transfer? If so, how does that information change? How would we measure the differences? What powered study would we need? To just note that we don’t know the exact answers to these qs isn’t proof of anything

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Sep 27
          Replying to @philowisdomMD @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          People have looked extensively. Doesn't exist. Was a popular idea in the Soviet Union,, led to the suppression of real genetics and agricultural failure. Naturally, on the comeback trail, as part of the current wave of madness.

          1 reply 3 retweets 14 likes
        8. Philodata‏ @philowisdomMD Sep 27
          Replying to @gcochran99 @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          I’m confused, are you saying epigenetic intragenerational information transmission doesn’t exist? So Prader-Willi and Angelman syndromes as the result of imprinting don’t exist?

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        9. Gregory Cochran‏ @gcochran99 Sep 27
          Replying to @philowisdomMD @charlesmurray @QuilletteM

          Rare, random inactivation of the parental or maternal allele. Nobody says it comes from experience. Nor is it transmitted to the folowing generation - because there isn't one.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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