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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 23

    i mean, if you *really* wanted to kill UBI, you'd implement it, then have some incredibly sympathetic case, single mother with leukemia or something, take a lump sum for the rights to her lifetime UBI from one of the companies that would instantly exist for that purpose…

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      1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 23

        …leave the money in a taxicab, and plead for more assistance since she now has nothing it's win/win, either there's a safety net under the safety net and the system crashes and burns under the weight of exploitation or the UBI system is shown as the domain of heartless monsters

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      2. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky May 23
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        You realize that would already be possible with Social Security, right? Except it's illegal, and the law hasn't actually had a very hard time stopping it. A lot of your retirement benefits are shielded against bankruptcy.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 23
        Replying to @AlexGodofsky

        i didn't know that about SS, that's nice to hear

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      2. Kevin J. Maroney‏ @womzilla May 23
        Replying to @chaosprime

        That's not a hard case: Make it illegal to accept hypothecated benefits. (Not to sell them!) Then the company has to refund the money in a clawback and penalties on top, making the entire industry unsustainable.

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      3. Kevin J. Maroney‏ @womzilla May 23
        Replying to @womzilla @chaosprime

        I'm pretty sure it's illegal to buy or sell SNAP benefits now, and I'm pretty sure it does happen but not on a large scale.

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      4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 23
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        Chaos Retweeted Alex Godofsky

        sounds good to me, see alsohttps://twitter.com/AlexGodofsky/status/999363447128281089 …

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        Alex Godofsky @AlexGodofsky
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        You realize that would already be possible with Social Security, right? Except it's illegal, and the law hasn't actually had a very hard time stopping it. A lot of your retirement benefits are shielded against bankruptcy.
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      5. Kevin J. Maroney‏ @womzilla May 23
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Oh, right, yes--Social Security retirement is basically (inadequate) UBI for seniors with (also inadequate) bonuses for longtime workers.

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      1. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra May 23
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Well, for starters UBI is a [basic] income scheme and is neither supposed to cover e.g. extreme medical costs, nor is supposed to be fungible like that. Second, I think all social safety nets defend against that general class of exploitation already, with moderate success

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      1. Dedicating Ruckus‏ @ded_ruckus May 23
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        some discussion on SSC's blog about it speculated you'd have to make UBI payments immune to garnishment of any kind (bankruptcy, child support, &c.) Presumably this would also make contracts to pay your UBI to someone else unenforceable

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      1. Pay Tree Arch Is Back, With a Longer Name Than Bef‏ @paytreearch May 23
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        Or just explain to everyone that it takes working a full-time job to earn full-time pay, and the people with no jobs get a cut pf your taxes as well. So for most people a UBI would just mean getting underpaid by the government instead of by their employer.

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