then there will be collateral damage, obviously, but have we figured out a better terminology, or heuristic for which elements of society need to be forcefully suppressed?
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Replying to @adornofthagn
some people don't think any elements of society need to be forcefully suppressed, and also that speaking of people as "elements of society" first is an atrocity-producing framing. past that, is that heuristic any good now that any three outgroup markers i don't like = nazi?
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Replying to @chaosprime
"some people don't think any elements of society need to be forcefully suppressed" very few people actually believe that, not even most anarchists. and yeah if you have a better heuristic for producing atrocities, it is badly needed
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Replying to @adornofthagn
i mean if i were tempted to forcefully suppress some motherfuckers i might look to outright advocacy of genocide and de jure caste division
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Replying to @chaosprime @adornofthagn
there's too few of those to produce a credible enough threat to maintain a power base with though
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Replying to @chaosprime
well anyone who openly advocates genocide when such a thing is being suppressed is almost by definition not a real threat -if there is one, it's from those who advocate it with plausible deniability almost as if fascism is a really big problem for liberalism idk
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Replying to @adornofthagn
right, so now we're assigning people to the category "nazi" based on what we've decided they really mean, so it's instantly at best 10% potentially effective praxis against a real threat, 90% bludgeon to punish the outgroup with
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Replying to @chaosprime
idk where you're getting that distribution from (as I said, open genocide advocates aren't the real threat to begin with), but apart fro that, yes, who doesn't wanna bludgeon the outgroup. doesn't mean it can play out any other way though
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Replying to @adornofthagn
that's Sturgeon's Distribution yo yeah spose, the list of factuals you have to pretend are counterfactuals in order to not get outgrouped is getting real fucking long though
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Replying to @chaosprime
well getting call-outs from specific sub-communities within the left isn't quite the same as being considered a nazi imo, but yeah, and the only thing that can be done against that is pushing back, being sectarian in turn, which also disrupts the power base
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not sure it's the only thing
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Replying to @chaosprime
well you can also turn your back on politics in general (maybe they'll offer support groups for that one day)
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Replying to @adornofthagn
i hear living in a barrel in the town square and masturbating has a lot going for it too
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