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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 5

      "redistribution of sex" encompasses proposals as milquetoast as increasing representation of less attractive people in media to counteract the disalignment of appearance standards from reality y'all are fucking working yourselves into a tizzy smdh

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    2. Monoid Mary‏ @argumatronic May 5
      Replying to @chaosprime

      we see quite enough "less attractive" men in teh media already thx v much, it's not like John Goodman's career has been based on his hotness

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 5
      Replying to @argumatronic

      it's not an example of a good proposal, it's an example of a harmless one that's inside the parameters

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 5
      Replying to @chaosprime @argumatronic

      (if we were attempting to address The Incel Problem it'd be increasing representation of less attractive women that i could conceivably think is useful)

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    5. Monoid Mary‏ @argumatronic May 5
      Replying to @chaosprime

      i have never read an incel forum where that was what they were asking for, so i feel a bit like you're motte-and-baileying. sure, that could be a net positive thing to do and within the realm of "redistribution of sex" but that's surely not what anyone is actually asking for.

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 5
      Replying to @argumatronic

      oh whoof i'm not saying we should give incels anything they say they want. i'm just mad at people reading robin hanson going "by redistribution i mean anything that changes the distribution" and responding with "redistribution means confiscation to me so you mean rape"

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    7. Monoid Mary‏ @argumatronic May 5
      Replying to @chaosprime

      but surely when people talk about redistributing income (to alleviate income inequality) the typical reading is "confiscating income" albeit generally via the tax code; i think he's written about this as well that "redistribution" means confiscation.

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    8. Robert (eval 'eye) P. Levy‏ @rplevy May 6
      Replying to @argumatronic @chaosprime

      The only ethical redistrubution of anything is voluntary, via individual choice in a spontaneously self-organizing society.

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    9. Robert (eval 'eye) P. Levy‏ @rplevy May 6
      Replying to @rplevy @argumatronic @chaosprime

      Here is an article "Libertarians for Redistribution" that I appreciated when I read. https://c4ss.org/content/12961  It is clearly the assumption of the author and most readers including myself, that the starting assumption is that redistribution implies coercion. That is what it means.

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    10. Robert (eval 'eye) P. Levy‏ @rplevy May 6
      Replying to @rplevy @argumatronic @chaosprime

      cc/ @kevin_bowen the point I'm making and that @argumatronic is making is that most people, especially libertarians (who think most coherently and unambiguously about this out of everyone) wold see redistribution as coercive. Hence an article like the above having to redefine it

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 6
      Replying to @rplevy @argumatronic @kevin_bowen

      and the appropriate thing to do when somebody says "i'm not using the term that way" is to say "no you meant what i decided you meant"?

      9:37 AM - 6 May 2018
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        2. Robert (eval 'eye) P. Levy‏ @rplevy May 6
          Replying to @chaosprime @argumatronic @kevin_bowen

          No, but did he initially make that clear?

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 6
          Replying to @rplevy @argumatronic @kevin_bowen

          Chaos Retweeted Robin Hanson

          how initial is this?https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/990259534923956225 …

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          Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
          "Redistribution" means "change the distribution". A great many who have commented can't imagine any policy options to change the distribution of sex access other than rape and slavery, and so accuse me of advocating such things. But a great many other policy options exist.
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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 6
          Replying to @chaosprime @rplevy and

          honestly all i want here is for y'all to be slightly less trivially trolled

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