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    1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 3

      starting to suspect the great human binary divides people who (can? do?) separate empirical claims and abstractions generally from Machiavellian social considerations, and those who can't or won't

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    2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 3

      masquerobot Retweeted Concerned Meme Academic  👻

      this, per @niftierideologyhttps://twitter.com/niftierideology/status/991769973574877184 …

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      Ape society will never trust thought experiments because it can't believe what you think about for fun is ever disconnected from devious political machinating
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    3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 3

      Like--consider (eg) kerfuffle over TBC. My guess is the main lay objection reduces to "you're going to use this to get an edge on me." And I'm not sure that's an invalid concern, honestly! Point is that normie spectrum folks are relatively, especially predisposed . . .

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    4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 3

      . . . to view abstractions as social plays and there's nothing to be done about it but avoid letting your threatening abstractions leak to the MOPs. Once it's out, defending it as an *idea* is pointless, because the MOPs aren't interacting to an idea but to a social danger.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      the thing that sucks is that this basically winds up at crusty old dudes' whining about postmodernism pomo is many dessert toppings and floor waxes but among them is for sure the idea that everything is power games before and/or instead of anything else

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        1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime

          unfortunately the idea that everything is a power game may itself be exploited in power games :D

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          i was going somewhere here and then my phone made a noise

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          maybe the thing i hate the most about power-dynamics-first analysis is that everybody who's into it is so fucking bad at it like it instantly turns into this thing where you have to rah-rah or pooh-pooh based on the most superficial impression of Good For Team or Bad For Team

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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          does the rah-rahing actually hurt your team because you're rah-rahing something superficially pro-team but so fucking asinine that rah-rahing it fucks up your team's entire credibility? too bad, have to do it anyway

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        2. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          I will never stop whining about postmodernism because it is the death of all meaning, despair in a fancy bowtie

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot

          yeah, this shit lol pale cur will you tell me which pomo you are talking about here? like, quote some statement attributable to pomo that this follows from?

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        4. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          I'm thinkin derrida in the main but really the entirety of death of the author

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @palecur @eigenrobot

          okay, i can see it. but isn't that just a basic ass accurate observation, that it matters to us what we read not what dude was trying to write, that like all things is subject to sturgeon's law in what people do with it?

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        6. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          that seems basic-ass, yeah; but mainly i see Death of the Author used to claim that any random idiot's wilfully ignorant misinterpretation of a text is just as valid as an actual analysis that engages with authorial intent

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        7. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 3
          Replying to @palecur @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          This is irksome because if art is anything at all, it's communication of authorial intent -- art is work with a result intended to induce a sequence of emotional states in the experiencer of the work's result. DotAuthor denies that communicative act.

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        8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 3
          Replying to @palecur @chaosprime

          Probably ought to hop in and defend the core pomo critique as basically correct as written but almost universally misunderstood and misapplied by contemporary enthusiasts "power games are pervasive!" --> "the outgroup has power and is abusing it"

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        9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @eigenrobot @palecur

          yeah, absolutely stipulated i just want to be able to better apprehend what is actually going on, mang is that so much to ask

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        2. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          I think it can be pretty well established that support for post-modernist philosophy is, in essence, a power game. *stares off*

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @StevenBrust @eigenrobot

          that's the thing, like, when we're talking about "supporting" philosophy sturgeon's law is already in action philosophy isn't a "support" thing, politics is a "support" thing, philosophy is a "use" thing

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        4. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @eigenrobot

          The biggest trouble with Sturgeon's Law is the implication that 10% of anything must not be crud, and we both easily think of things with 0% of not non-crud.

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @StevenBrust @eigenrobot

          yeah, that's true, also Utility Georg is an outlier and should not have been counted i just don't think pomo is one of them. if you give a bunch of monkeys a jackhammer, they'll do a bunch of awful things with it, that doesn't mean jackhammers are bad or useless

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        6. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur May 3
          Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust @eigenrobot

          who and/or what is Utility Georg is it like Manuel of the Planes

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        7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 3
          Replying to @palecur @StevenBrust @eigenrobot

          he sits in a cave doing things that are 0% crap, distorting the math on Sturgeon's Law

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