and here we were always told losers blaming society for their problems was a left wing problem
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That's actually an apt metaphor for a "winner take all marketplace." Losers complaining about injustice & blaming society. That doesn't mean there's no suffering or unfairness. Do we think it would be possible to create some alternate celibate life path with dignity?
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Replying to @euneaux @chaosprime and
It's not necessarily a matter of redistributing sex. It's really about redistributing status & esteem. If we measure manhood & success by the Hugh Hefner ideal, there's no way for them to feel good.
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i hope you aren't horrified to learn that you have just identified the actual problem as toxic masculinity but yeah the fact that it's all about homosocial status competition is one of the things that disgusts me most about the incel discourse tbh
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yeeeeeah that's not the most honest argumentation i've ever seen
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that it's conflating existence of a phenomenon with usage of a term and conflating "incels' problem is toxic masculinity" with "toxic masculinity is incels" a problem being ameliorated by massive social engineering isn't the same thing as a problem not existing
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I'm in general not a revolutionary and hold a dim view of social engineering of any kind, progressive or reactionary.
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Specifically on behalf of incels, the best we could accomplish might to try to teach them charm school. Love Ed, in addition to Sex Ed. Somebody dropped the ball. Maybe their fathers were absent. Why not show these guys how to be the most attractive they can be, approach & woo?
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well, as we saw in the thread before you showed up, because they don't want to know why should they make an effort when It's Society's Fault?
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