and this is why you fail
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Replying to @McNationalist_ @woke8yearold
and here we were always told losers blaming society for their problems was a left wing problem
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That's actually an apt metaphor for a "winner take all marketplace." Losers complaining about injustice & blaming society. That doesn't mean there's no suffering or unfairness. Do we think it would be possible to create some alternate celibate life path with dignity?
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Replying to @euneaux @chaosprime and
It's not necessarily a matter of redistributing sex. It's really about redistributing status & esteem. If we measure manhood & success by the Hugh Hefner ideal, there's no way for them to feel good.
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i hope you aren't horrified to learn that you have just identified the actual problem as toxic masculinity but yeah the fact that it's all about homosocial status competition is one of the things that disgusts me most about the incel discourse tbh
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The intrasexual status competition is certainly PART of it, but besides a desire for esteem & status (that preoccupies both men and women, toxic masculinity or no), there is also a universal intrinsic hunger for companionship & intimacy.
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Replying to @euneaux @chaosprime and
The lonely incel guys I know don't feel "entitled women's bodies" nor are they keen to rape anybody. Sure they're frustrated & sometimes bitter, but mostly they're sweet sensitive guys who yearn for companionship & intimacy. Touch & sex make up only a fraction of their desire.
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Replying to @euneaux @chaosprime and
What's so outrageous about the vitriolic and frankly mean response to their very existence is the complete denial of their humanity. Of course nobody expects anybody to actually DO anything. But a little recognition of their humanity and effort for empathy might be constructive.
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i recognize their humanity; i'm one missing habit of asking myself "is this thing i'm thinking maybe self-serving?" from going down the same rabbit hole as them. my ability to relate to why they're the way they are is why their cowardice fills me with such ire and contempt.
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lots of people who are mad at them are coming from a completely othering perspective, though, you're not wrong about that
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