I read selfishness, apathy, and greed a bit differently. Stress reactions look like those things. If you want the common citizen to lift his/her head up and look to the future, you must reduce their stress level. And that, we do have some ideas about how to accomplish.
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Agreed. My point is only that stress encourages short term thinking, and that stress on the poor and middle-class is both chronic and increasing. If people are going to think and act long term, they need the sort of mental space to support that.
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Replying to @SaintTzu @willshetterly
green authoritarianism requires that one think in the kind of long term that's bounded by a small number of human lifetimes. if you actually think long term, you realize that sustainability, like survival, is a goal you can only fail at
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nothing is "infinitely sustainable", not the universe itself. So unless you think humanity can literally outlive heat death / great rip /etc, you need to send some reasonable bound on sustainability you aim for.
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Maybe so, but there’s no way to determine what that is from where we are now. No reason for it to be part of our planning at all. Let’s see how that obstacle looks as we get closer to it.
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or we could just do something interesting now
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About the heat death of the universe? What do you have in mind?
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no, i mean taking heat death into account, realizing that survival is a fool's errand and doing something because it's worth doing not because you can fool yourself that it will last or you will last because of it
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