Imagine this. You are a part of what theologians and philosophers try to understand and describe as "God" or "The Universe". Are you determined by other peoples attempts to define you? What do you determine self-wise? (rhetorical) This is a question in Zen.
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@chaosprime Please tell me what you think of this when you find the time to. It is a terrifying discussion topic to say the least.1 reply 0 retweets 1 likeShow this thread -
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hunh. well, theologians like to talk about supernatural/extranatural stuff in this context, which might be anything or nothing, but not that many of the non-nothing cases would much give a shit about the theologians' work
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then you have actual gods, which are emergent phenomena in social behavior, which theologians mostly avoid talking about but philosophers discuss sometimes. when theologians do talk about them, it's usually to try to identify them with supernatural/extranatural stuff
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those exist in social pattern space so the work of the theologians and philosophers is relevant to them, though "determine" would be a strong word. if you piss in the river, you're involved in the waterfall, but saying you determine it would be a bit much
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the theologians' and philosophers' work is part of the phenomenon of gods determining things about themselves, which is mostly real wacky shit like a five-year-old determining he's Superboy
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it's unclear if there's any way for us to know whether gods are conscious but i suspect they are, and that they have very slow, fuzzy, incoherent qualia
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