then you have actual gods, which are emergent phenomena in social behavior, which theologians mostly avoid talking about but philosophers discuss sometimes. when theologians do talk about them, it's usually to try to identify them with supernatural/extranatural stuff
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those exist in social pattern space so the work of the theologians and philosophers is relevant to them, though "determine" would be a strong word. if you piss in the river, you're involved in the waterfall, but saying you determine it would be a bit much
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the theologians' and philosophers' work is part of the phenomenon of gods determining things about themselves, which is mostly real wacky shit like a five-year-old determining he's Superboy
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chaos theory is a good way to get introduced to the concept of phase space which is even better than differential calculus for understanding what gods are made of. i don't know Peat no
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