i consider it quite originalist actually
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Replying to @palecur @StevenBrust
what even is this late-coming revisionist “cynicism” that everybody hates and nobody likes, anyway? it never seems defined beyond “blob of stuff i don’t like”
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my main association with it is when you point out how basic adversarial advantage seeking will make somebody’s do-gooding program worse than useless they call you cynical to shut you up
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Replying to @chaosprime @palecur
Do you see a distinction between observing that apparent altruism is sometimes self-serving, and denying the existence of altruism?
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Replying to @StevenBrust @palecur
yeah, i define altruism in terms such that why you’re doing it has no bearing
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Replying to @chaosprime @palecur
Interesting. I'd be curious to hear this definition, as I'd always taken the word to imply its motivation.
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Replying to @StevenBrust @palecur
altruism is when you account costs and benefits to other people at a factor greater than costs and benefits to you
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Replying to @chaosprime @palecur
I'm obviously missing something, because motivation (wanting to do things for others) seems implied in that definition to the point where I can't separate them.
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Replying to @StevenBrust @chaosprime
I think the motivation is implied in the weird robot-language definition - valuing others more highly leads to a desire for the robot to do things for others
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motivation isn’t addressed, if your behavior reflects that a $1 bill is worth more to you in somebody else’s pocket than in your own then the condition is met
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