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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Apr 2018
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      i’m going to just start RTing people inveighing against the evils of cynicism without comment because a world with more credulous people is advantageous and if you can be made more credulous by that sort of thing then you deserve to be

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    2. Steven Brust, pjf‏Verified account @StevenBrust 1 Apr 2018
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      Oh, rubbish. "Cynicism" and "Credulousness" are not opposites.

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Apr 2018
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      there are competing definitions but they’re at least opposed if not precise opposites in the one i subscribe to

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    4. despairagus‏ @palecur 1 Apr 2018
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      there's a difference between skepticism, demanding evidence for claims, and cynicism, a spiritually corrosive immunity to passion in any endeavor. a substantial difference.

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Apr 2018
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      that isn’t what i mean by cynicism and sounds suspiciously like pessimism. by cynicism i mean distrust of people’s nominal motives.

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    6. despairagus‏ @palecur 1 Apr 2018
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      that is, uh, a fairly bespoke definition of the term

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Apr 2018
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      i consider it quite originalist actually

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    8. despairagus‏ @palecur 1 Apr 2018
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      kek

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Apr 2018
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      what even is this late-coming revisionist “cynicism” that everybody hates and nobody likes, anyway? it never seems defined beyond “blob of stuff i don’t like”

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Apr 2018
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          my main association with it is when you point out how basic adversarial advantage seeking will make somebody’s do-gooding program worse than useless they call you cynical to shut you up

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        3. Steven Brust, pjf‏Verified account @StevenBrust 1 Apr 2018
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          Do you see a distinction between observing that apparent altruism is sometimes self-serving, and denying the existence of altruism?

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        2. despairagus‏ @palecur 1 Apr 2018
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          it's a fairly clear definition: distrust of motives leading to insincerity in all aspects of life, nothing enjoyed for its own qualities but only for the way it points out the failures in something else, nothing taken at face value leading to nothing being valued at all.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Apr 2018
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          sounds like a real pathological case that doesn’t follow from the basic principle out of any necessity at all

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