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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18

    all forms of moral virtue are forms of rent-seeking

    1:06 PM - 18 Mar 2018
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      2. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I have no idea what that means (and I'm kind of afraid to ask), but reading it, the term, "rent-signaling" popped into my head. So, that happened.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18
        Replying to @StevenBrust

        that's very apropos, actually it means that morality you're supposed to *strive* for, you strive for because performing it makes you The Right Kind of Person who gets The Good Things just as a reward for being The Right Kind of Person

        2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
      4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        if you're already getting The Good Things, then you need to make a show of Being The Right Kind of Person to prove that you deserve them

        2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        which is now "rent-signaling", so thanks for that

        0 replies 2 retweets 13 likes
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      2. Julie Atwood‏ @jmatwood Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Hmm. Is it rent-seeking if you just prefer to do that thing, or is it no longer moral virtue if your morality is by default or by natural preference? Or is the good stuff then just lack of cognitive dissonance or feeling bad?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18
        Replying to @jmatwood

        for purposes of this trolling i'm using "moral virtue" to mean behavior that's held up as praiseworthy and rewarded, culturally, so if you're just doing it on your own and nobody else is rewarding you for it then it's not rent-seeking, just hedonic optimization, which is good

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Julie Atwood‏ @jmatwood Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Oh, rewarded by other people...? 🤷 Oh well. I was almost making rent. So close. What's the ideal morality type for paying off a mortgage?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18
        Replying to @jmatwood

        bourgeois, of course

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Julie Atwood‏ @jmatwood Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Of course. Sigh.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Christopher Toth‏ @Mongoose_Q Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I keep coming back to this, trying to disagree, and failing. Please tell me this is trolling and let me in on the joke. ...

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18
        Replying to @Mongoose_Q

        it's trolling for sure, but not the kind that uses fake ideas, i'm afraid

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Christopher Toth‏ @Mongoose_Q Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Don't call up things you can't put down.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 18
        Replying to @Mongoose_Q

        oh, i can put down anything, i have discovered the ultimate banishment: wait for heat death

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime @Mongoose_Q

        heat death is when the monopoly on legitimate use of force prevents you from running the air conditioning

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      7. hexed decimal‏ @heatdeath Mar 18
        Replying to @palecur @chaosprime @Mongoose_Q

        common misconception. it's actually a LACK of heat e.g. when your landlord won't turn the gas on even though it's late november

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Paul E  🖤 ✖️‏ @palecur Mar 18
        Replying to @heatdeath @chaosprime @Mongoose_Q

        if your place includes utilities then running an electric heater in every room is actually an advanced form of praxis

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. sam atman‏ @djinnius Mar 19
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Ok now use this premise to address Theravada and the Jains

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Mar 19
        Replying to @djinnius

        no u

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      1. OκULTRA XP 🧿‏ @0K_ultra Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime

        huge if true :)

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      1. Cuntington Fucksworth, Esq.‏ @CuntyFucksworth Mar 18
        Replying to @chaosprime @0knaomi

        Moral virtue for the sake of itself is rent-seeking, but are all moral virtues necessarily tautological? Or should I have another glass of wine? Oh I answered my own question sort of. Are all archetypes abstractions per se?

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