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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 8 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      oh, i have no investment in that position and don't think it's the case, but Conway here doesn't refute it either, in the whole thing free will is just a black box hypothetical causal phenomenon whose provenance isn't raised as a question

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 8 Jan 2018
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      he provides a model of necessary derivation of free will of collections of particles from free will of particles, he doesn't provide a model of free will at all; his fully baseless axiom of free will could rely on many-worlds or not, the question isn't asked

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    4. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 8 Jan 2018
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      As the person who brought up many worlds in the first place. It's not necessary for a "Non deterministic universe" but is necessary for the chaos of quantum mechanics to contain something humans would recognize as choice.

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 8 Jan 2018
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      enh, there are other options, like in a simulation scenario where your body is hardware, your mind is software, and your free will is user input but really choice is just a post hoc quale of the part of your mind that exists to come up with a plausible story for the cops

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    6. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto 8 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp and

      who's the user?

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    7. Psi Operator‏ @PomoPsiOp 8 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @danlistensto @chaosprime and

      Read up on Gnosticism I guess. My only beef with it is it was invented by people who didn't have video games, and who thus assumed the simulation was Malicious.

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    8. Dan listens to the churning atmosphere‏ @danlistensto 8 Jan 2018
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      it was a rhetorical question, I have indeed read up on gnosticism. I can think of a dozen answers from different systems off the top of my head and every one of them is unsatisfactory. nobody gets much further than noticing that the ego vanishes under examination.

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    9. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 8 Jan 2018
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      I don't believe the ego vanishes. Elaborate?

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    10. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 8 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @Alrenous @danlistensto and

      possibly you're using the term a little differently, when we talk about ego death we're talking about the breakdown of part or all of one's cognitive system of self-regulation and identity (the fear of which turns out to be most of what "fear of death" is actually fear of)

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 8 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @chaosprime @Alrenous and

      the vanishing of the ego under examination that Dan was talking about is more like noticing that what you're used to as thinking of the boundaries of You vs. Not You are only relatively real, and you're as much like a waveform blip in a continuous substance as you are entity-like

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        2. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 8 Jan 2018
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          Empirically, when you are cut, I don't feel the bleeding.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 8 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @Alrenous @danlistensto and

          there are a lot more ways to be affected by something than nerve signaling

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