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    1. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      This started with "The only way free will can work is if the Many worlds theorem of quantum mechanics is true", which is refuted by the Strong Free Will Theorem.

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      oh, i have no investment in that position and don't think it's the case, but Conway here doesn't refute it either, in the whole thing free will is just a black box hypothetical causal phenomenon whose provenance isn't raised as a question

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    3. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      Conway explicitly provides a model of free will which doesn't rely on Many Worlds.

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      he provides a model of necessary derivation of free will of collections of particles from free will of particles, he doesn't provide a model of free will at all; his fully baseless axiom of free will could rely on many-worlds or not, the question isn't asked

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    5. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      "could rely or not" reduces to "does not rely"

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      okay yeah but it doesn't reduce to "refutes"

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    7. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      "the only way" vs. "does not rely" -> refutation

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      enh nah because it isn't speaking to the question pomo's assertion addresses at all, a many-worlds-derived free will would slot into the model as well as any other kind

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    9. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jan 8
      Replying to @chaosprime @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      I thought I had made this clear, but let me try again: It is sufficient to show that Many Worlds is not a /necessary/ predicate of Free Will.

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    10. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @chaosprime and

      You seem to be confusing this for a refutation of Many Worlds itself, which it isn't.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
      Replying to @djinnius @PomoPsiOp @Alrenous

      nah, i'm just saying that because it's treating free will as a black box it's intentionally avoiding saying anything about what's in the box, and why would it, that's not the point it's making

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        1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jan 8
          Replying to @chaosprime @djinnius and

          as i learned trying to resolve community disputes on Wikipedia, addressing one question at a time is very nearly too many

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