The only way free will can work is if the Many worlds therom of quantum mechanics is true, and each conscious derision results in a new universe. And quantum mechanics means that most of these decisions are being made by particles, with life forms being pretentious bundles.
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Ehh, it's only deterministic if there is a single timeline, and it's only nightmarish if you are bothered by the existence of possibilities balanced out by their counter possibilities.
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The nightmare comes from moralizing. Anything being possible should be a good thing, but people are too bothered by the idea that maybe half of that anything is going to be things you hate.
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Somewhere out there in configuration space there is a version of you who is the immortal god king of the universe and everyone loves you. In another version of the universe you are a meat slave in a factory farm. We get to decide which one to identify more with.
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I will (freely) suggest to both of you to read up on Conway's Strong Free Will Theorem.
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well, the Wikipedia article is confusing. the intro summarizes what sounds like a reduction to absurdity of the concept of free will, demonstrating that if it exists, then there must be elementary particles that have it
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Well, if we stop chauvinistically assuming that the "Observer" of quantum mechanics must be a human, then the logical conclusion is that a particle is "observed" whenever it interacts with another particle, and that free will is an inherent property to all matter.
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What we perceive as choices are simply the consensus of an uncountable number of sub atomic particles which chose which way to bounce when they interact with each other.
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Have you considered emergent theory? I.e. particles aren't conscious but big collections of them can be
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Der Gedanke an den Wärmetod ist ein starkes Trostmittel.
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free will isn't silly, it's popular definitions of it that are askew. At the end of the day free will is, and can only be, acting in accordance with your own nature. The only alternative is dice-throwing. So there's no contradiction between free will and determinism.
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i mean, sure, except that isn't what anybody means by free will so you're basically just telling your kids that that Hydrox is as good as an Oreo because logically they're the same thing
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it's what all the best people mean by free will.
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ugh, i only associate with the worst people thank you very much
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well, duh, obviously, you're on twitter!
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Only if you're a materialistic monist, which why would anyone be
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free will can be silly, and the universe be non deterministic. (is this the "no reason" scenario?)
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ayup
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I like that one.
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