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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2017

    name a more catastrophic error in Western philosophy than "cogito, ergo sum". i'll wait

    11:56 AM - 2 Dec 2017
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      2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        but what's wrong with the cogito? It's the only sure-fire result we've ever got, though I might phrase it differently.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ColumPaget

        it isn't "cogitatio, ergo existentia"

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      4. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        how is that different?

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      5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ColumPaget

        "I think, therefore I am" is entirely different from "thought, therefore existence". that's how sneaky Latin is, the first person in "cogito, ergo sum" is invisible but it's there and it'll getcha

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      6. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        how is it different?

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      7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ColumPaget

        one considers that which you regard as "I" to exist, which is always a catastrophic error

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      8. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        So I guess you're reading "I" as meaning more than just "thing making this statement", which is probably a fair reading, but it can also be read as just "unknowable thing making this statement"

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      9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ColumPaget

        that's how fast it leads you down the garden path: you've already presupposed the existence of things a thing isn't making the statement because there are no things, a process is making the statement

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      2. Charles Spencer‏ @loveslap 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        your mom

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @loveslap

        your confidence in me is inspiring

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      2. M is for Mind Control 🎃Kistulot‏ @Carin_McLeoud 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        solipsism?

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Carin_McLeoud

        solipsism is contingent on the existence of the self, though, so it seems like a subordinate catastrophe

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      2. Call Of Spooky: Ghosts‏ @PomoPsiOp 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Mind body dualism. IDK if that falls under the same category. Really fuck Descartes so bad. Manages to be a Crypto Atheist and a Crypto Diest at the same time.

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      3. Call Of Spooky: Ghosts‏ @PomoPsiOp 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @PomoPsiOp @chaosprime

        If you follow his philosophy as a religious person, you'll find all spirituality reduced to soul-less materialism. If you follow his philosophy as an atheist, the end state of all existence becomes solipsism where you are the only being that can possibly exist.

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      4. Call Of Spooky: Ghosts‏ @PomoPsiOp 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @PomoPsiOp @chaosprime

        Either way, it takes the whole "Use science to prove god exists" problem that Medieval philosophy has, and starts to take it to the point where god is the ONLY thing that can possibly exist, and even secular science is tainted by this epistemological toxin.

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      5. Call Of Spooky: Ghosts‏ @PomoPsiOp 2 Dec 2017
        Replying to @PomoPsiOp @chaosprime

        "Yes a single set of equations can and should explain all of reality, and it won't leave us wondering why there is more matter than antimatter or why more than one star exists."

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      2.  🈂️ 🍵 💀‏ @suchaone 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chaosprime

        "thought implies existence" is true, "I think therefore I am" is not

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      3. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @suchaone @chaosprime

        the experience of consciousness in material beings is unaccounted for, in particular why certain patterns of organization should be conscious while others should not be. Thought implies existence is a second order conclusion. The first thesis is existence implies thought.

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      4. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @danlistensto @suchaone @chaosprime

        "Cogito, ergo sum" isn't a mistake but rather it's a territorial claim. The claim is "this matter, my matter, is conscious matter, and I MY OWN SELF am the king of this country". We are all little nations with a throne-sitting tyrant living under the illusion it is in charge.

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      5. brazen cabeza is right behind me isn’t it‏ @brazen_cabeza 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @danlistensto @suchaone @chaosprime

        The chicken-egg dichotomy is an illusion.

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