oh sure, i didn't say that just because it's jerking me off means i don't *like* it
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just unlike the people who think Baen Books is a political party i know the difference between being jerked off and having thought provoked
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Replying to @chaosprime @okayultra
I mean, you don't have to go that far back before the very idea that society could be radically different falls away.
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Replying to @ColumPaget @okayultra
enh, i dunno, maybe the frequency of publication goes down but i don't think the idea of extremely different social organization has ever been that far off the beaten path, competitive cult-founding kids in the middle east 2000 years ago were doing it for kicks
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Replying to @okayultra @ColumPaget
yeah? i mean, just off the top of my head we have cults that did nothing but fuck because sinning glorified divine forgiveness and cults that died out because reproduction was too much attachment to this world, seems like some variation
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Replying to @chaosprime @okayultra
Show me the cult that said 'fuck revelation, the future's what we make it'?
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Replying to @ColumPaget @okayultra
lol yeah that one's rough. are we sure enlightenment values define SF though? what with how the twist "they turn out to be Adam and Eve!" is so fucking hackneyed any given slush reader still has to reject it multiple times daily?
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Replying to @chaosprime @okayultra
I mean, back when I was writting and was doing the Critters thing, I saw lots of stories where someone just stuck a robot in. Wasn't SF.
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Replying to @ColumPaget @okayultra
"able to remove the spec el and it's still the same story" is a slippery damn slope to walk on though
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but i do see your point about how the idea that *things can change* is mostly new-ish
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