before we can have a row over this someone's gonna have to define the terms 'SF' and 'classic' at least.
lol yeah that one's rough. are we sure enlightenment values define SF though? what with how the twist "they turn out to be Adam and Eve!" is so fucking hackneyed any given slush reader still has to reject it multiple times daily?
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but I didn't say enlightenment *values* define SF, Shelly was reacting against them, and is the Adam and Eve stuff really SF?
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oh god the true scotsmen are coming
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you would admit though, that there are untrue scotsmen? If I claim to be scottish, for instance?
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i'm not sure that taking as axiomatic that everybody is scottish is worse than conceding this point
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it's not that i think you're wrong, it's that getting involved in making determinations about what is and isn't SF is tantamount to volunteering to maintain Wikipedia
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I know, this is why I always throw it out there in the hope of getting an entertaining firefight going
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I mean, back when I was writting and was doing the Critters thing, I saw lots of stories where someone just stuck a robot in. Wasn't SF.
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"able to remove the spec el and it's still the same story" is a slippery damn slope to walk on though
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but i do see your point about how the idea that *things can change* is mostly new-ish
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/aside/ At last! A convert! \aside\
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the enlightenment pretty much defined Mary Shelly, and I know there's precursors to her, but she is the main detonation.
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