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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      sure, they *know* that X is what Y people are like and it's annoying that you're trying to tell them otherwise

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      whereas obviously some B people do A but it'd be ridiculous to generalize that to all B people

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    3. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

      it's a "Bad argument".

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      sure. that isn't a conspiracy. it's just people having categories of epistemic certainty.

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      and, i mean, there are powerful monkey self-interest reasons for why they have those categories, no question

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      but it's a rare bird who's aware they're refusing to question a thing because it'd make them unable to mouth shibboleths

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    7. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

      I think at some level people know "I'm saying this because it's required for social standing in my group"

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      i really don't think so honestly, i think they're mostly saying what feels right and good

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      which they have been conditioned to feel that way about using social standing in their group as carrot and stick

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    10. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime

      I think our only difference might be that I think this system is very old, and part of human wiring, not artificial. @St_Rev

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      every point i'm arguing with you on is one where you're attributing conditioned behavior to consciousness

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        2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

          there's also the point that I'm saying I think the behavior is somewhat instinctive, not conditioned.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          yeah, probably some prebuilt structure there, doubt it matters, likely that general neural nets would wind up similar

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        4. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          relates to refusing to admit your doing the thing, or wanting to do it in the face of good reasons why you shouldn't.

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget

          well, i mean, they might just be using entirely different principles from the ones you think are relevant

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget

          like maybe they aren't using "you can't generalize groups from their worst members" at all

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        7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget

          maybe they're using "you shouldn't make generalizations about groups that aren't valid"

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        8. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          wouldn't that amount to the same thing?

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        9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget

          nope! then it's okay to generalize based on the worst members if their behavior is validly representative of the group

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          tbqf if people had to think about it as much as you're assigning to them they wouldn't be nearly so *good* at it

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        3. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          we're good at pumping our hearts and digesting food, without knowing *how* if you see what I mean @St_Rev

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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          okay. for some reason it keeps sounding like you're positing people consciously buying into hypocrisy on the topic.

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        5. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          oh, that I am. But the urge to do the thing isn't conscious. The resistance to 'don't do that' is.

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget

          ahh okay, gotcha. enh, consciousness is just the part of your brain that comes up with a good story for the cops, anyway

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        7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
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