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    1. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget

      I think there are degrees. I think marketers/propagandists/clickbaiting scum know what they're doing.

      4 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
    2. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @St_Rev @ColumPaget

      But I don't think the majority of the audience does.

      4 replies 1 retweet 1 like
    3. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @St_Rev

      don't get that you can't generalize about groups from their worst members. This is kindergarten stuff. So, they must get it but...

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget

      Lemme stop you there, man. You're wrong. Verbal fluency/appearing smart is way way WAY different from this kind of intelligence.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @St_Rev

      advanced? It used to be widely understood once, but it's faded away in recent times.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget

      They can deploy it where it's immediately obvious but they can't understand most implications.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @St_Rev

      you can often tell that they know what argument is coming, but don't want to hear it. They understand fine.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      sure, they *know* that X is what Y people are like and it's annoying that you're trying to tell them otherwise

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      whereas obviously some B people do A but it'd be ridiculous to generalize that to all B people

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

      it's a "Bad argument".

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
      Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

      sure. that isn't a conspiracy. it's just people having categories of epistemic certainty.

      8:14 PM - 19 Mar 2017
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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          and, i mean, there are powerful monkey self-interest reasons for why they have those categories, no question

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          but it's a rare bird who's aware they're refusing to question a thing because it'd make them unable to mouth shibboleths

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        4. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

          I think at some level people know "I'm saying this because it's required for social standing in my group"

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          i really don't think so honestly, i think they're mostly saying what feels right and good

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          which they have been conditioned to feel that way about using social standing in their group as carrot and stick

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          I think our only difference might be that I think this system is very old, and part of human wiring, not artificial. @St_Rev

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          every point i'm arguing with you on is one where you're attributing conditioned behavior to consciousness

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

          there's also the point that I'm saying I think the behavior is somewhat instinctive, not conditioned.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

          I didn't say it was a conspiracy. I said it was a human need. I think (most) ppl need someone to hate.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          nah, most ppl need something to belong to. the thing they belong to may need hate to sustain cohesion.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          but there are well-documented alternatives for the purpose so hate may just be pathetic egregoric laziness.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @St_Rev

          I suspect that alternatives are recent inventions, where as unity-through-hate-of-outgroup is maybe older than language

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          Torah has a lot of mileage on it and it deploys at least six cohesion drivers, outgroup hate not prominent among them

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. ColumPaget‏ @ColumPaget 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          hmm, much of what's in the Torah is also in the old testament, right? @St_Rev

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        8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 19 Mar 2017
          Replying to @ColumPaget @St_Rev

          same thing except for the crappy translation jobs

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