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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @Delafina777 @sapphixy

      maybe that's fine, maybe progressive thought just needs to pursue its strategy of alienating its way to utopia harder

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime @Delafina777 @sapphixy

      i'm dubious

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    3. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime

      No one's saying you don't have problems. They're saying they have problems too, different and often (not always) more difficult.

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @slambister

      right, except that's not what "you are not persecuted, these people are persecuted and not you" means to literally anyone

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    5. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime

      Who says "You are not persecuted"? Is that literally being said most of the time, or is it what you're hearing?

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @slambister

      Chaos Retweeted Jessica Price

      https://twitter.com/Delafina777/status/841703130471448576 …

      Chaos added,

      Jessica Price @Delafina777
      Replying to @Delafina777
      The "foundation myth" of geeks as a persecuted minority, which coopts marginalization in a way that silences members of marginalized groups.
      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime

      "In a way that marginalizes minority groups" is the key caveat here. There is a difference between the terrible things that

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    8. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @slambister @chaosprime

      happen to geeks and that happen to marginalized people.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @slambister

      right. so we tell the geek that when he was on that floor with the foot on his back, it didn't matter. and declare victory.

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    10. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @chaosprime

      It's not a competition! Recognizing differences does not raise or lower anyone's importance.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
      Replying to @slambister

      i mean, that would be lovely, but the geek is not *asked to recognize differences*, he is publicly mocked, derided and shamed

      11:06 AM - 14 Mar 2017
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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @slambister

          he is told that by using the wrong words for his experience he is appropriating the experience of people who actually suffered

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime @slambister

          and if you're paying attention you know you never have to go far to find people who won't deny his suffering, but celebrate it

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        4. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          That only happens because geeks (as a group) continue to inflict pain on marginalized groups. You know what you do when you

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        5. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @slambister @chaosprime

          use a word wrong? You apologize & try not to make that mistake in the future. You don't double-down on how you're the oppressed

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @slambister

          that's easy when it's, like, fucking up somebody's pronouns. bit harder when the word you used determines whether you matter.

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        2. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          For treating other groups of people as badly as he himself is treated. If you're a chill dude geek we won't mock deride OR shame

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @slambister @chaosprime

          (We being marginalized people)

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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @slambister

          i feel like you mean that and want it to be true, but it's not really how things go down

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          I literally feel the exact same way about what you're saying. :)

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @slambister

          it seems bizarre to me to think of somebody *wanting* any of what i'm saying to be true

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        7. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @chaosprime

          I think it has to do with having an understanding of how culture works for whole groups as opposed to individual people?

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        8. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @slambister @chaosprime

          When we talk about this stuff, we don't specifically say, but to address large societal problems you have to make some groups.

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        9. Sam Bisturbed‏ @slambister 14 Mar 2017
          Replying to @slambister @chaosprime

          You literally can't describe what's happening otherwise. And realizing your relationship to your group and to other groups is

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