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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Dec 2016

    poll: are you capable of simultaneously believing racism is a systems issue not a psych trait and of also calling individual people racist?

    9:00 PM - 1 Dec 2016
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      2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime

        it's heartwarming that even in these trying times the troll answer always wins

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime

        ooh NOT SO FAST says the meme answer

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      2. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Yes.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @StevenBrust

        dangit why do twitter clients that don't see polls exist

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      4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        but like how does that work, how is it a psych trait and not a psych trait at the same time

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      5. jeff lowrey‏ @jefflowrey 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        Systems are created, maintained and reinforced by people. Systems also reinforce themselves onto people.

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      6. Will Frank (enstein) ('s monster)‏ @scifantasy 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @jefflowrey @chaosprime @StevenBrust

        And just because one's racism is systemically impressed and not psych doesn't make one not racist.

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      7. Will Frank (enstein) ('s monster)‏ @scifantasy 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @scifantasy @jefflowrey and

        The issue I think I see lurking under this is about how to respond to racists...victim or villain?

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      8. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @scifantasy

        That's a class question; I don't deal with an ignorant worker and someone in a privileged class the same @jefflowrey @chaosprime

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      9. jeff lowrey‏ @jefflowrey 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @StevenBrust @scifantasy @chaosprime

        Surely you mean Glorious Member Of The Working Class and Ignorant Member Of The Opressive Privileged..

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      1. crepuscular dispatch‏ @schakalsynthetc 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime

        we definitely can say an individual is knowingly and willingly upholding a system but it's still bigger than the individual

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      2. Lydia Nickerson‏ @victoriadrew 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I am not a troll. SKZB will vouch for me. But calling individuals racist is one of the ways we bring social sanctions to bear.

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      3. Lydia Nickerson‏ @victoriadrew 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @victoriadrew @chaosprime

        The thing is, racism is both an action and an emotional state.I probably can't change people's feels.Good news: I don't need to.

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      4. Lydia Nickerson‏ @victoriadrew 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @victoriadrew @chaosprime

        What I need to do is change their behaviour. Social sanctions are one piece.

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      5. Lydia Nickerson‏ @victoriadrew 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @victoriadrew @chaosprime

        I haven't missed the fact that improving the economic security of the working class is vital. It is possibly even more vital.

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      6. Lydia Nickerson‏ @victoriadrew 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @victoriadrew @chaosprime

        But in the mean time, I really need to shame the opportunistic wealthy whites. They may just be pragmatically creating division

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      7. Lydia Nickerson‏ @victoriadrew 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @victoriadrew @chaosprime

        But shaming their overt racism is absolutely useful, and I will cheerfully use it.

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      1. Kevin J. Maroney‏ @womzilla 2 Dec 2016
        Replying to @chaosprime

        It's a threadable needle but requires more careful attention to terms than this question (or most people) uses.

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