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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015

      Let me be clear that I don't give a single fuck about the good of Society as such. Society only matters to me because people live in it.

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    2. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 25 Feb 2015
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      @chaosprime Trying to make sense of this. Society IS people. How do you separate them? Am I missing some context?

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
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      @StevenBrust It's like, are you concerned about the health of your liver, or the health of the individual cells in your liver?

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
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      @StevenBrust It's natural to be concerned about the former. Which is why I find it necessary to reject that viewpoint explicitly in this.

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    5. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 25 Feb 2015
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      @chaosprime We may need to save this for in-person, because I'm still not getting it.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
      Replying to @StevenBrust

      @StevenBrust Maybe? The point is that focusing on the large-scale abstraction can lead to failures in handling the small-scale abstraction.

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
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          @StevenBrust We've seen plenty of people earnestly trying to make the big system work and being happy to see it roll over the small systems.

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        3. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 25 Feb 2015
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          @chaosprime I would argue that in those cases the failure with the small systems points out a flaw in understanding the large system.

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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
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          @StevenBrust It does. And sometimes those flaws arise because the large system regarded as a whole is regarded as the only important thing.

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        5. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 25 Feb 2015
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          @chaosprime As long as that is the case, efforts to fix systems--big or small--can have, at the most, cosmetic effects.

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
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          @StevenBrust Well, I mean, efforts to fix systems big and small can easily murder people. So that's not what I'd call cosmetic.

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        7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
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          @StevenBrust Actually, not calling that cosmetic is fairly precisely my original point.

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        2. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 25 Feb 2015
          Replying to @chaosprime

          @chaosprime Most of are pretty good person-to-person; the challenge is understanding the laws of motion for masses.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 25 Feb 2015
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          @StevenBrust Sure. I'm saying my reason for caring to understand those laws isn't because the important thing is the masses as such.

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        4. Steven Brust‏Verified account @StevenBrust 25 Feb 2015
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          @chaosprime Okay, that makes sense.

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