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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014

      I wonder if there is a single American over 40 who, thirty years ago, could have imagined a USA where opposing torture is controversial.

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    2. jeff lowrey‏ @jefflowrey 12 Dec 2014
      Replying to @chaosprime

      @chaosprime @jenphalian 30 years ago, Reagan was president.

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
      Replying to @jefflowrey

      @jefflowrey @jenphalian Can't imagine him advocating torture. His whole deal was that he acted (ahem) like a president. Not a cheap despot.

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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      @jefflowrey @jenphalian Authorize it, sure, but not advocate it in public.

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    5. jeff lowrey‏ @jefflowrey 12 Dec 2014
      Replying to @chaosprime

      @chaosprime @jenphalian You just said ‘controversial’, not ‘authorized’ or ‘advocated’. Maybe I’ve always been cynical.

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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      @jefflowrey @jenphalian I don't remember there being any controversy about it in the Reagan years.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014

      @jefflowrey @jenphalian Just, of course we don't torture, we're America, we're so much better than that it isn't even a topic.

      7:54 PM - 12 Dec 2014
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        1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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          @jefflowrey @jenphalian We *did* torture, obviously. But we didn't stand up as elected officials and say that was totally great, no problem.

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        2. jeff lowrey‏ @jefflowrey 12 Dec 2014
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          @chaosprime @jenphalian There was a whole swath of things Reagan did that it was controversial to oppose, even though they were horrific.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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          @jefflowrey @jenphalian Yeah, funding death squads isn't that far off in real terms. Still never would've occurred to me we'd wind up here.

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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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          @jefflowrey @jenphalian It used to be important to us to pretend we had the moral high ground, and being seen to lose it had consequences.

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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          @jefflowrey @jenphalian Now we're attaining staggering self-awareness of what kind of operation we really are, and we *do not seem to care*.

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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          @jefflowrey @jenphalian What we'll be like when that process is complete is one hell of a terrifying thing to contemplate.

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        7. jeff lowrey‏ @jefflowrey 12 Dec 2014
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          @chaosprime @jenphalian There are other sides of things, that you’re missing, that are terribly encouraging.

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        8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 12 Dec 2014
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          @jefflowrey @jenphalian This isn't exactly my whole worldview here, but what did you have in mind?

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        9. jeff lowrey‏ @jefflowrey 12 Dec 2014
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          @chaosprime @jenphalian things better discussed in person, over beer. ;-)

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