I wonder if there is a single American over 40 who, thirty years ago, could have imagined a USA where opposing torture is controversial.
@jefflowrey @jenphalian Just, of course we don't torture, we're America, we're so much better than that it isn't even a topic.
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@jefflowrey@jenphalian We *did* torture, obviously. But we didn't stand up as elected officials and say that was totally great, no problem.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@chaosprime@jenphalian There was a whole swath of things Reagan did that it was controversial to oppose, even though they were horrific. -
@jefflowrey@jenphalian Yeah, funding death squads isn't that far off in real terms. Still never would've occurred to me we'd wind up here. -
@jefflowrey@jenphalian It used to be important to us to pretend we had the moral high ground, and being seen to lose it had consequences. -
@jefflowrey@jenphalian Now we're attaining staggering self-awareness of what kind of operation we really are, and we *do not seem to care*. -
@jefflowrey@jenphalian What we'll be like when that process is complete is one hell of a terrifying thing to contemplate. -
@chaosprime@jenphalian There are other sides of things, that you’re missing, that are terribly encouraging. -
@jefflowrey@jenphalian This isn't exactly my whole worldview here, but what did you have in mind? -
@chaosprime@jenphalian things better discussed in person, over beer. ;-) - 1 more reply
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