How much time do you think conservatives spend policing each other? I'll wait.
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@chaosprime I guess my ? is, why do we need discipline at all? -
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@lucida_console Because no social movement can succeed without leveraging impulse to conformity, so must provide something to conform to. -
@chaosprime@lucida_console Could this be because mass movements require authoritarian followers http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ to get things done? -
@alizardx I imagine that helps, but they need plain old body count too.
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@chaosprime I suppose the benefit of discipline in private is at least a social hierarchy doesn't form around the ritual of disciplining -
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@lucida_console Also external enemies and would-be usurpers don't get a handy map of the weak points in the structure shoved in their face.
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@chaosprime or if it does, it's a more stable hierarchy? Less chance to claw your way up in the pecking order.. hmm -
@lucida_console@chaosprime - Isn't that essentially what shaming is? Cutting people down for going against the social order? -
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@MTFIII@chaosprime shame has its place, I really believe that. Cheaper than legislation and enforcement.. Track record not so good though -
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@lucida_console Conceptual roots are kinda fucked up too. Shame is about *who you are*, vs. guilt which is about what you've done. -
@chaosprime hence difference in tactics between policing thoughts vs actions perhaps. -
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@lucida_console The main con/prog difference I see in re guilt & shame is that cons have an absolution ritual and we have marked-for-life. -
@chaosprime wow... Agree 100%..
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