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combine the powers of that which is outside and that which is inside, and you will win glory in the whole world, obscurity leaving you at once

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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      i don't blame people for their attachment to the concept of free will, since their having said attachment was deterministic anyway

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    2. system ID: ACE‏ @sysid_ACE May 7
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      🌂 On our old discord server a user was once given the role titled "Believes in Free Will" and another role titled "Also Believes in Determinism" after a truly baffling conversation.

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      i guess for some people not having their choices be *legibly* deterministic is good enough, and that's easy given sensitive dependence on initial conditions, so blessed are those ones

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    4. system ID: ACE‏ @sysid_ACE May 7
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      🌂 See, like, that'd be an angle, right! 🌂 The conversation was literally *about* that though, the whole "your brain has already chosen before you consciously decide to do the thing." 🌂 That was an example that was raised! And he no-selled it!

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    5. Dedicating Ruckus‏ @ded_ruckus May 7
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      that experiment as a defeater for free will never made any sense to me it's perfectly possible that free will is a process that takes 500 milliseconds or w/e, and you can detect early stages of that process via material means before the consciousness in question is aware of it

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    6. system ID: ACE‏ @sysid_ACE May 7
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      🌂 free will's realness is such old news to me that I haven't really thought about that much recently, but that's a good point 🌂 do you know what finding out your trans, otherkin and plural does to how much value and rigidity you place in things like identity and free will?

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      yeah, the relevance of that thing is that free will as it's important to people involves needing their *consciousness* to be making the choices, if the experience of making choices is something that's being cooked up and fed to the consciousness this fucks 'em all up

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    8. eris‏ @erin_nerung May 8
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      why would anyone even expect consciousness to do anything its only purpose is to justify decisions to other humans

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 8
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      could be one of those things where, like, an organization routes information across one guy's desk and finds out this means they accidentally made him the manager consciousness needs dashboard views of lots of stuff to cook up justifications, decides this means it's in charge

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