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combine the powers of that which is outside and that which is inside, and you will win glory in the whole world, obscurity leaving you at once

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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      i don't blame people for their attachment to the concept of free will, since their having said attachment was deterministic anyway

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    2. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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      to even begin to develop an argument against any variety of free will, you need to rely on very questionable assumptions about causality. (assuming one even accepts causality in the first place.) how would you plan to undermine free will on a causal powers view, for example?

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      i don't honestly feel i need to undermine anything until i encounter a version of the concept that doesn't collapse under its own weight

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    4. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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      you haven't looked very hard! the last time i brought this up & referred to a simple SEP entry as a foil, you read some lines, ideologically summarized it, "people tell you who they are," and that was that. what doesn't collapse under its own weight with such raw uncharitability?

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      if it's uncharitable to regard as nonsense a giant pile of work that wants to talk about free will after opening by refusing to define it because they can't, then i guess i'm uncharitable, yes

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    6. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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      *intellectually dishonest and hasn't done the appropriate reading required--due to prior biases & annoyances @ otherwise real problems in the literature [from the autistic writing style, to "unfortunately i do not have the space to address the best objection to my view, etc.]

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      that's a bit much it is in absolutely no way my responsibility to perform an exhaustive literature search until i've convinced myself of a position nobody can point me to literature about that isn't talking directly past the point

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    8. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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      it is, but you don't have some huge obligation to fulfil it. it's just a weak epistemic norm if you want to better know what you're actually talking about

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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      i know enough to know people talk nonsense it doesn't help that nobody addresses the core incoherence of the concept, that either choice is caused and therefore unfree or it's uncaused and therefore even less free than if it were caused, other than by pointing at this handwaving

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        2. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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          that relies on a manifestly contestable view of causality. here's a different view of causality: substances/"agents" possess causal powers rather than belonging to a linear chain of causality. they have dispositions toward some effect. now your dichotomy has already collapsed

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        3. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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          'self-determined' decisions are now possible without either preferring any background view in physics, whether the universe is generally casually determinate or indeterminate to x degree.

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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          i don't need to spend the rest of my life reading Aquinas to be familiar enough with bullshit handwaving about the ontic literality of the Christian creator deity to know that it's bullshit same deal here

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        3. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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          you don't have to meet such a specific and extreme requirements, but you're not even meeting bare minimum standards for intellectual honesty. just declaring things to be bullshit

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