i don't blame people for their attachment to the concept of free will, since their having said attachment was deterministic anyway
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Replying to @chaosprime
On our old discord server a user was once given the role titled "Believes in Free Will" and another role titled "Also Believes in Determinism" after a truly baffling conversation.2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes -
Replying to @sysid_ACE
i guess for some people not having their choices be *legibly* deterministic is good enough, and that's easy given sensitive dependence on initial conditions, so blessed are those ones
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Replying to @chaosprime
See, like, that'd be an angle, right!
The conversation was literally *about* that though, the whole "your brain has already chosen before you consciously decide to do the thing."
That was an example that was raised! And he no-selled it!1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes -
Replying to @sysid_ACE @chaosprime
that experiment as a defeater for free will never made any sense to me it's perfectly possible that free will is a process that takes 500 milliseconds or w/e, and you can detect early stages of that process via material means before the consciousness in question is aware of it
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Replying to @ded_ruckus @chaosprime
free will's realness is such old news to me that I haven't really thought about that much recently, but that's a good point
do you know what finding out your trans, otherkin and plural does to how much value and rigidity you place in things like identity and free will?1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes -
Replying to @sysid_ACE @ded_ruckus
yeah, the relevance of that thing is that free will as it's important to people involves needing their *consciousness* to be making the choices, if the experience of making choices is something that's being cooked up and fed to the consciousness this fucks 'em all up
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it doesn't demonstrate that the actual site of the choice-making couldn't be free, if that weren't an empty word
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Replying to @chaosprime @ded_ruckus
That's strange. Imagining the consciousness you experience as being like a more observable layer of your True Self is still relatively consistent with being your own agent, and neatly wraps in "the monster inside me" narratives as well.
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yeah, i mean, trusting your cognitive stack a little can be hard but it ain't *that* hard, idk
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Replying to @chaosprime @ded_ruckus
When a character in fiction sees something they have to acknowledge as a hallucination and start becoming immensely panicked about having "totally lost their mind" and all you can do is eyeroll about this brat who seriously only just learned that the self can be unreliable.0 replies 0 retweets 2 likesThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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