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combine the powers of that which is outside and that which is inside, and you will win glory in the whole world, obscurity leaving you at once

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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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    i don't blame people for their attachment to the concept of free will, since their having said attachment was deterministic anyway

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      2. neoplatopagan gab‏ @gabrielamadej May 7
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        to even begin to develop an argument against any variety of free will, you need to rely on very questionable assumptions about causality. (assuming one even accepts causality in the first place.) how would you plan to undermine free will on a causal powers view, for example?

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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        i don't honestly feel i need to undermine anything until i encounter a version of the concept that doesn't collapse under its own weight

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      2. system ID: ACE‏ @sysid_ACE May 7
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        🌂 On our old discord server a user was once given the role titled "Believes in Free Will" and another role titled "Also Believes in Determinism" after a truly baffling conversation.

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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        i guess for some people not having their choices be *legibly* deterministic is good enough, and that's easy given sensitive dependence on initial conditions, so blessed are those ones

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      2. snag (reply guy)‏ @qorprate May 7
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        always makes sense to ask, if someone says "I have free will", what is the subject? free with respect to what? will in what terms? then you end up with shit like "my accumulated symbolic system, used to direct my physical actions, is resistant to influence from the social world"

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      3. snag (reply guy)‏ @qorprate May 7
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        and im thinking, ok, that makes sense, you're not free wrt the ecosystem of matter, but you're less behaviorally tracked than Avg Joe. but like wouldn't schizophrenics be even MORE free, then? idk

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      2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 8
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        oh absolutely, it all works out just about the same it's just nice to have a brake to apply when one starts getting tempted to act like a nut about people's perversely bad choices

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      2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime May 7
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        quite so, there are even worse alternativeshttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1258545320943747075 …

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        i know enough to know people talk nonsense it doesn't help that nobody addresses the core incoherence of the concept, that either choice is caused and therefore unfree or it's uncaused and therefore even less free than if it were caused, other than by pointing at this handwaving
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