ah, now *that* i can find pages onhttps://meaningness.com/complete-stance-obstacles …
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
So would you say nebulosity is bottom-up, too...?
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Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness
not inherently, pretty sure you can have nebulosity from the top down, just usually top-down imperatives are at least *trying* not to be nebulous since the illusion of definitiveness was the point of them
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
I wonder if (eternal)ism isn't so much top-down as it is something you get if you go up far enough
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Replying to @MNV763 @Meaningness
the kind of top-down i mean is, existing as symbol systems in social space that jam themselves into you via language and the neocortex, attacking your cognitive stack from there to take your native experience of meaning hostage so you'll do what the symbol systems want
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
That *seems* like a kind of eternalism itself if I understand you correctly... (about the intentional existence of symbol systems)
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Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness
yes, we are awash in top-down eternalisms
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
Hmm. Maybe a different tack: afaict the relationship of (eternal)ism to meaning is only obstructive to the extent that it's expected to provide meaning (including by accounting for its absence). I don't think that expectation itself comes from the content of the top-down process
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Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness
"hi i'm installing myself as a gatekeeper to your experience of meaning" would not be very smart content to include explicitly my analysis of these systems is that putting themselves between you and your natural capacities is their bread and butter
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
What you call the systems seem like the shadow not the gatekeeper
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you sound like you're using these words in technical esoteric senses, which i am not i just mean things like teaching ppl that experiencing the universe as full of divine love, which is a trivially available experience, is something they can only do as part of sanctioned rituals
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