@Meaningness been trying to find a page where you talk about eternalist mummery distracting us from/obliterating the significance of meaning spontaneously arising from just living, is there such a thing?
btw: eternalism being top-down, meaningness being bottom-up maybe fruitful
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
What's the significance of relating eternalism to meaningness(ness), again?
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Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness
ah, now *that* i can find pages onhttps://meaningness.com/complete-stance-obstacles …
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
So would you say nebulosity is bottom-up, too...?
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Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness
not inherently, pretty sure you can have nebulosity from the top down, just usually top-down imperatives are at least *trying* not to be nebulous since the illusion of definitiveness was the point of them
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
I wonder if (eternal)ism isn't so much top-down as it is something you get if you go up far enough
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Replying to @MNV763 @Meaningness
the kind of top-down i mean is, existing as symbol systems in social space that jam themselves into you via language and the neocortex, attacking your cognitive stack from there to take your native experience of meaning hostage so you'll do what the symbol systems want
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
That *seems* like a kind of eternalism itself if I understand you correctly... (about the intentional existence of symbol systems)
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Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness
yes, we are awash in top-down eternalisms
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
Hmm. Maybe a different tack: afaict the relationship of (eternal)ism to meaning is only obstructive to the extent that it's expected to provide meaning (including by accounting for its absence). I don't think that expectation itself comes from the content of the top-down process
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"hi i'm installing myself as a gatekeeper to your experience of meaning" would not be very smart content to include explicitly my analysis of these systems is that putting themselves between you and your natural capacities is their bread and butter
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Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness
What you call the systems seem like the shadow not the gatekeeper
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That is, unless what you mean by "top-down" is specifically the reification of meaning, rather than any reflective or descriptive processes around thinking about stuff with other people, broadly speaking, I don't think those processes are what's doing the gatekeeping at all.
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