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combine the powers of that which is outside and that which is inside, and you will win glory in the whole world, obscurity leaving you at once

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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Apr 26
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      @Meaningness been trying to find a page where you talk about eternalist mummery distracting us from/obliterating the significance of meaning spontaneously arising from just living, is there such a thing? btw: eternalism being top-down, meaningness being bottom-up maybe fruitful

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    2. Qu137157‏ @qu137157 Apr 26
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      What's the significance of relating eternalism to meaningness(ness), again?

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Apr 26
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      Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness

      ah, now *that* i can find pages onhttps://meaningness.com/complete-stance-obstacles …

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    4. Qu137157‏ @qu137157 Apr 26
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      Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness

      So would you say nebulosity is bottom-up, too...?

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Apr 26
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      Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness

      not inherently, pretty sure you can have nebulosity from the top down, just usually top-down imperatives are at least *trying* not to be nebulous since the illusion of definitiveness was the point of them

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    6. Qu137157‏ @qu137157 Apr 26
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      Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness

      I wonder if (eternal)ism isn't so much top-down as it is something you get if you go up far enough

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Apr 26
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      Replying to @MNV763 @Meaningness

      the kind of top-down i mean is, existing as symbol systems in social space that jam themselves into you via language and the neocortex, attacking your cognitive stack from there to take your native experience of meaning hostage so you'll do what the symbol systems want

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    8. Qu137157‏ @qu137157 Apr 26
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      Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness

      That *seems* like a kind of eternalism itself if I understand you correctly... (about the intentional existence of symbol systems)

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Apr 26
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      Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness

      yes, we are awash in top-down eternalisms

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        2. Qu137157‏ @qu137157 Apr 26
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          Replying to @chaosprime @Meaningness

          Hmm. Maybe a different tack: afaict the relationship of (eternal)ism to meaning is only obstructive to the extent that it's expected to provide meaning (including by accounting for its absence). I don't think that expectation itself comes from the content of the top-down process

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Apr 26
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          Replying to @qu137157 @Meaningness

          "hi i'm installing myself as a gatekeeper to your experience of meaning" would not be very smart content to include explicitly my analysis of these systems is that putting themselves between you and your natural capacities is their bread and butter

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