The Strange Loop sage continues! This sounds really exciting, even if complex. You reckon that this ability itself can be exploited, or inferred upon, with some assumption on the time scales? Basically I'm really really curious how to import this to neurocognitive development :P
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Replying to @neuropoetic @kaznatcheev and
it's a huge driver of neurocognitive adaptations that are good for the monkeytribe and mostly pretty fucking bad for the monkey
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Replying to @chaosprime @kaznatcheev and
How so? I agree that's involved, but perhaps I should explicit about my above questions being about importing it to within-brain system-context/ecology dynamics.
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the statement of this i made here is subtly wrong, it's perception of importance, not perception of status, but it's an examplehttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1142084737558880256 …
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Chaos @chaosprime"man is a social animal" sounds all fluffy bunnies but what it means is that there are deep structures in your brain that try to kill you if your perception of your social status is too low. in Dunbar-number-sized social groups most people could clear this bar. most now can'tShow this thread2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @chaosprime @kaznatcheev and
Thanks for the elaboration! I see it as off-loading value systems, insofar the signals of value - whether of pragmatic reward or epistemic salience - are the common currency by which loopy systems of evaluation develop The key problem is the power balance between these, I think
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Importantly (to make a link to the dunbar-number you included), there is a decoupling between the amount of people in one's (perceived) community, and the (perceived) social signals as what the abstracted society/community believes, imposes, or values etc.
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This is further compounded by technology, where 'public opinion' and value systems can evolve far more rapidly and impose far more powerfully, in part by more proximal influence (less global broadcasting, more personal doxxing) and in part by 'virtual' organisation of influence.
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Now we have two dangerous decouplings: The perceived public will be contingent on not only IRL interactions, but also 'digital' or 'virtual' interactions, where the latter seems to grow only more influential wrt to the former, in part because the IRL is influenced by the virtual.
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And so both for the individual themselves, as well as the two 'types' of sociocultural umwelts, become dominated by the virtual, or the simulacra, by the network effects / autocatalytic territorialisation, in absence of counteracting/compensating influence towards human Being.
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Got a bit off-track but I wanted to push back a bit to the pessimism that the network effects of these system-ecology loops would always be bad. I think it depends on the scales one looks at. At more proximal scales, I believe it's more positive.
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oh that seems perfectly likely, i have clinician's error going on with it for sure
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Replying to @chaosprime @kaznatcheev and
Didn't know of that term! Thanks, TIL. If it's http://grokinfullness.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-clinicians-error.html …, then honestly we all heavily subject to that error.
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yeah, that's the one. you deal with people who have harmed themselves with X so you think of X as inherently harmful
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