So uh, to recollect my thoughts: Seas and Trees are the complementary metaphors for the fluid-like dynamics and the structural regularities, respectively. Some analogical details are that trees are nurtured by fluids in multiple ways, and the role of trees in shaping ecologies.
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Replying to @neuropoetic @metadiogenes and
In natural ecosystems, animals' niches might not directly overlap in the main characteristics. But nevertheless they share the same ecosystem. Wherever there is commonality to adapt to, there will be attunement, in general to a holistic (ecosystemic) benefit, that can loop back.
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Neuropoetic Retweeted Artem Kaznatcheev
Oh I was wondering,
@kaznatcheev is that cool sounding paper out yet? :Dhttps://twitter.com/kaznatcheev/status/1248291660531974144 …Neuropoetic added,
Artem Kaznatcheev @kaznatcheevEvolutionary biologists, computer scientists & mathematicians of twitter, which title is better: [1] "Ecology can speed up long-term evolution" [2] "Evolution is exponentially more efficient with ecology" /cc@akcayerol@jplotkin@joshuagrochow@paulwgoldberg@stevenstrogatzShow this thread1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @neuropoetic @metadiogenes and
A draft of it has been circulating & I'm hoping to post a preprint this week. Unfortunately, I ended up going for neither of the titles in poll -- deciding on "Evolution is exponentially more powerful with frequency-dependent selection", instead. I will ping you once it's out!
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Replying to @kaznatcheev @metadiogenes and
Super exciting! I look forward to it! If you can indulge me in my impatient curiosity, would you mind sharing how much that thesis generalises beyond natural ecologies and evolution? I suspect - wishfully perhaps - that it generalizes for ontogenic development for e.g. brains?
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Replying to @neuropoetic @kaznatcheev and
Or in other words: What are the particular conditions for that effect? Could we say evolution is about (multiscale) processes development of species via selections of particular variants in set of variants distributed in strata of time windows, generated over time by the species?
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Replying to @neuropoetic @kaznatcheev and
In turn, ecologies are then the contextual dynamics (and systems), such that it acts upon the processes of variation and selection (by applying pressure in either or both directions on relevant parameters), present in these ecosystems. Perhaps mutualistic processes are key here?
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Replying to @neuropoetic @kaznatcheev and
I'm really interested in what is meant with frequency-dependent selection though. Regardless if you would be able to answer these questions, looking forward to the preprint and thanks for the reply ^^
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Replying to @neuropoetic @metadiogenes and
In this case, it ends up a rather technical definition of the organism's presence deforming the environment they are in and thus the selective pressures that they are under. This allows the creation of 'second-order' gradients in otherwise flat fitness plateaus.
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Replying to @kaznatcheev @metadiogenes and
The Strange Loop sage continues! This sounds really exciting, even if complex. You reckon that this ability itself can be exploited, or inferred upon, with some assumption on the time scales? Basically I'm really really curious how to import this to neurocognitive development :P
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it's a huge driver of neurocognitive adaptations that are good for the monkeytribe and mostly pretty fucking bad for the monkey
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Replying to @chaosprime @kaznatcheev and
How so? I agree that's involved, but perhaps I should explicit about my above questions being about importing it to within-brain system-context/ecology dynamics.
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Chaos Retweeted Chaos
the statement of this i made here is subtly wrong, it's perception of importance, not perception of status, but it's an examplehttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1142084737558880256 …
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Chaos @chaosprime"man is a social animal" sounds all fluffy bunnies but what it means is that there are deep structures in your brain that try to kill you if your perception of your social status is too low. in Dunbar-number-sized social groups most people could clear this bar. most now can'tShow this thread2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes - 10 more replies
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Replying to @chaosprime @neuropoetic and
Oh good we have confirmation the hive-mind is taking over
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