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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 10 Nov 2019
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      trauma triggers are somewhat adorably Bayesian. it's very much a "the downside risk of failing to identify that i am in situation X is ONE TRILLION BAD, so i will identify that i am in situation X on a 0.001% probability", implemented right down in the field-writable hardware

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 10 Nov 2019
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      oh this is why talk therapy works for shit on PTSD and EMDR works well talk therapy convinces you to reduce your probability estimate, which was already super low EMDR reduces the activation strengths on the conditioning, which is where the problem is

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        2. Fiora @ mandatory homestuck!‏ @FioraAeterna 10 Nov 2019
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          my qualitative personal experience (doing therapy for (C)PTSD) is that PTSD is a self-reinforcing thought system. so if you can bring up the trigger in a way that does not actually trigger the response and maintains safety, the loop gets retrained fairly rapidly

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        3. Fiora @ mandatory homestuck!‏ @FioraAeterna 10 Nov 2019
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          this is why entactogen therapy (MDMA and/or 2C-B, usually) works so ridiculously well; for many people it is almost impossible to actually experience the trauma response in that state. so you can pull up the trigger and metaphorically hold it in one's hand like it's harmless

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        2. Extraordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 10 Nov 2019
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          tangential but I was just watching a video of a guy socializing feral kittens and he was emphasizing how you have to demonstrate to the cat that human hands are good HUNDREDS of times

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        3. Extraordinary Banana‏ @literalbanana 10 Nov 2019
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          it’s more me being thick than any particular insight, but I realize how much I discount emotional reinforcement of something over and over vs. updating on information once

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        2. QC‏ @QiaochuYuan 10 Nov 2019
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          still stanning Unlocking the Emotional Brain for juicy takes on why therapy, EMDR, etc. work:https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/i9xyZBS3qzA8nFXNQ/book-summary-unlocking-the-emotional-brain …

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        3. Kia‏☆‏ @alt_kia 10 Nov 2019
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          i should really read that ;--;

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        2. Baalren‏ @Baalren 10 Nov 2019
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          Replying to @chaosprime

          Talk therapy meaning CBT meaning Stoic practice works fine as long as it's done in the context of a live re-enactment of the trauma.

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        3. Baalren‏ @Baalren 10 Nov 2019
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          Baalren Retweeted Extraordinary Banana

          Doing it that way hurts, but on the plus side doesn't involve drugs and offers fast cures as is usual for Stoicism.https://twitter.com/literalbanana/status/1193745577709752321 …

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          tangential but I was just watching a video of a guy socializing feral kittens and he was emphasizing how you have to demonstrate to the cat that human hands are good HUNDREDS of times
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        1. Autumn Christian ~ Thot Intellectual‏ @teachrobotslove 10 Nov 2019
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          Trauma can only exist in disassociation - a break from reality. It begins to dissolve when forced to confront physicality. That's why learning pole dancing can do more for your trauma than talk therapy.

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        1. DeadpoolLovesYou‏ @CoinspiracyCo 11 Nov 2019
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          Nailed it. My wife is an EMDR therapist, among other things. It works for a lot of people..Also probably why I immediately said "Trauma" to your earlier post. You did not disappoint by reaching this conclusion.Thanks for your daily reminders that some people still like to think.

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