people writing about consciousness be like, "first i will redefine the term 'consciousness' as something i can make empirical statements about, then see how just how long i can talk before people notice i'm not talking about what they came here to find out about"
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Replying to @chaosprime
Even more cringe-worthy is when people redefine it to involve qualia and then erroneously insist "this is what we all think of when we say consciousness".
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Replying to @chaosprime @oimoiles
okay then people who use "consciousness" to mean "cognition" or "self-modifying cognition" or "video cameras pointed at mirrors" or what-have-you what is their term for having a subjective point of view that experiences qualia
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Replying to @chaosprime @oimoiles
i'm only just beginning to understand the word "qualia" but it seems to me that this subjective point of view is covered by "self-modifying cognition"? i assumed "consciousness" specifically referred to "self-aware cognition" (idk if there's a difference)
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*really, covered by any form of "cognition"
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it does not seem so to me nothing about cognition explains the existence of experiential perspectives
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Replying to @chaosprime @oimoiles
like, why one mind would experience the same input differently from another?
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like, why would someone use words like 'mind' and 'experience' like those terms mean anything we can rigorously define
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idgaf about rigor (COULD YOU TELL), accuracy would be fine
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uh, the requirements for accuracy are surely a superset of the requirements for rigor
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they are not, and don't call me Shirley
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