i mean, having a subjective point of view that's experiencing things is the best way i know to point at it if i'm tabooing "qualia"
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Descartes was just being a nerd, subjectivity isn't downstream of language, lots of people have memories of preverbal experiences, i do if he weren't so big a nerd it'd be "i experience therefor i am" i mean experiencing things in the idiomatic sense not the one from that page
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i don't think it does, i think experience comes first and we learn actually much, much later to assign those experiences to a persona-identity-history those things may be implied by the usage, yeah, which is a reason why the usage is a halfassed tool to use to point to the thing
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real damn early, i claim raw conscious experience is the ground from which all this pattern recognition (construction) and identity boundary formation emerges, the fancy architecture depends on it, it does not depend on the fancy architecture
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it helps if you kick all connotations derived from "self-consciousness" out of "consciousness" i.e. consider that the "self-" is there for a reason and is an important differentiation
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i would not identify directed symbolic processing for which "you" are the subject as consciousness i would peg that as like the second or third emergence layer from baseline consciousness
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ohh lol yeah if you want to deny that then you definitely need to pretend that everything only starts up at the ruach or neshamah and just shuffle that nefesh under the rug
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