that concept is Invalid and Incoherent and does not deserve additional wordspace
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I agree with chaos' main complaint but I also don't like the idea of qualia
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hunh what's wrong with it
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this wiki captures my complaints & more, but my main comment was that qualia overemphasizes "thingness" (cf. Helmholtz's thought experiment on the page) when in fact thingness (& attention!) arises from a feedback loop of motivated sensing & acting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia#Epistemological_issues …
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Replying to @qorprate @chaosprime and
i was going to comment earlier on how Freud understood that consciousness is dependent on memory but everyone since has forgotten, and then emphasize how qualia as an idea is directly contingent on attention which is guided by memory/experience, but i deleted before posting
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the whole "thingness" deal is obviously nonsense, people recoil from "raw feels" because they're cowards all i'm trying to say is that experiences are happening, if people have poisoned "qualia" with too much nonsense okay but idk what to say to ping the right associations then
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so the relationship between experience and consciousness is kind of weird. most obvious example: I get drunk, black out and do something stupid. I wake up with no recollection, no conscious memory of it. did I Really experience it in the given sense? how conscious was I?
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underdetermined by the information given
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someone who suddenly incurs retro-amnesia does not retroactively stop having experienced their life
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these tenses are confusing the heck outta me
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