I don't think we have the technology to reliably differentiate between self-deception and operational imitation thereof. Of course a bad actor would emulate making a honest mistake, especially a smart one.
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Replying to @0K_ultra @chaosprime
Folly is the cloak of knavery, for sure. But, it’s rarely constructive to assume an adversary is insincere, there is tremendous emotional incentive to do so, and that’s a big part of what makes insincere-seeming actors so infuriating in the first place. So I choose not to.
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Replying to @delysis @chaosprime
my personal attitude towards "insincere actors" group is opposite - I tend to expect it has agents I might be able to negotiate a truce with, while "real do gooder with a confirmation bias glitch" opponent is an implacable enemy that can only be exterminated
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Replying to @0K_ultra @chaosprime
I understand that in theory, but has that ever worked? “You’re right, I was posing, now to brass tacks” I have convinced do gooders assuming consensus ~= reality to earnestly consider the facts and change their mind. I have even been the naive one shown the light > once.
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Replying to @delysis @chaosprime
Well, why, yes, in my country's LEAs that is very often how it works, but even more often it's just a matter of motherfuckers having a "migration path" that follows the incentives rather than proscribed ideology. You can reasonably expect them to just walk away if you dry up well
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With do gooders, no such luck. I do nominally admit that maybe that type of person can change their mind, especially if not particularly strongly committed to it in the first place, or having a higher commitment to some rational principle above whateverfuck they are doogoodering
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about. As a creature in one of my weird dreams once said, "you can reason a scientist who is a nazi out of being a nazi, but it won't work on a nazi who just happened to do science"
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dang, smart fuckin’ creature you got there
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Replying to @chaosprime @0K_ultra
Yeah, rad dream entity! But what if the doogooder actually care about outcomes? Example: I know very sincere antiracists who were genuinely surprised and interested in the literature showing sensitivity training exascerbates race-based decision-making. I call that progress.
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Replying to @delysis @chaosprime
Well, like I said, I can see how a commitment to a rational-ish reasoning principle of some sort can in some cases help driving people away from pernicious do-goodering
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yeah, you want to go after the ones who are dumb enough to be rational about it, not the ones who are smart enough to just stick to their affiliative guns no matter how inconsistent and destructive it is
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