Otherwise we're just saying consent does not matter and forcing this person into an existence of roughly 18 years of servitude to the whims of their adult creators.
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Replying to @bronzebarbarian @chaosprime
Consent doesn't matter for children -- what matters is acting in their best interests. They aren't competent to make decisions yet. A nonexistent person is even less competent than a child.
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Replying to @terrycloth11 @chaosprime
One might say they have the same level of competence as a person in a coma, even. We shouldn't go around forcing choices on them with no obvious benefits.
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Now, you might argue life has obvious benefits, but then why do we keep letting these eggs go unfertilized?!
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Replying to @bronzebarbarian @chaosprime
Because we don't like slavery, basically. It used to be a priority to fertilize as many of them as possible back when we cared about that less.
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Replying to @terrycloth11 @chaosprime
Exactly my point. Stop birthing humans into the slavery of childhood.
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Replying to @bronzebarbarian @chaosprime
But they enjoy it so much! They don't start getting angsty until we start letting them try making decisions for themselves.
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Replying to @terrycloth11 @chaosprime
I'd say my earliest memories of displeasure directly link to encountering the education system. We could abolish that and leave children alone, but that would seem to end with useless people forced to endure life by consent free birth still.
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Replying to @bronzebarbarian @chaosprime
My earliest memory of displeasure is from when I tried to reason things out as a young kid and ended up in the hospital getting my stomach pumped. I'm not sure that that was bad enough to counteract the pleasure from eating 200 candy-like vitamins, let alone the rest of my life.
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Replying to @terrycloth11 @chaosprime
The very fact that you are trying to decide if it was worth it strongly suggests you would have to agree that you should have a choice in the matter.
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the question is, once we can make extremely high fidelity psychesims of a couple's potential child and ask those whether they prefer to be born or not, how much subjective time do we run them for before we consider them able to give a valid answer
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Replying to @chaosprime @terrycloth11
I'd think we'd need some number of them for a quorum.
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Replying to @chaosprime @bronzebarbarian
Why do we care about a nonexistent child's consent to exist but not a sufficiently high fidelity virtual version's?
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