it's not making me feel great tbh
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Replying to @TRULY_RELAXED @chaosprime
yeah, +1 brave and +1 insightful
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my take: A. if you can convince someone of an absurdity, you can get them to commit atrocities B. holding incorrect (absurd) beliefs is not mental illness
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Replying to @MeFromBefore @TRULY_RELAXED
i don't think that's really true for the usual, epistemic usage of "believe", though i think the convincing has to go very deep before the atrocities are enabled, atrocities that haven't been socially normalized at least and that that convincing isn't all that unlike a disease
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Replying to @chaosprime @TRULY_RELAXED
yes, this is where language clouds the discussion. Memetic infection behaves very much as a contagious disease, but is different from mental illness that is typically viewed as a “hardware problem” as opposed to a software one.
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And I strongly disagree that you need a hardware problem to become a mass murderer.
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Replying to @MeFromBefore @TRULY_RELAXED
not what is normally thought of as a "hardware problem", certainly the trouble is that our software is implemented not via transient storage Turing machine but via field programmable hardware, so software problems are hardware problems
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Replying to @chaosprime @TRULY_RELAXED
indeed. how about “a problem caused by memetic input,” then? (of course as I don’t believe in free will, this entire discussion is purely academic ;-)
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Replying to @MeFromBefore @TRULY_RELAXED
oh, yeah, free will isn't even a coherent concept, but whaddaya gonna do but keep on feeling just as if you're making choices there are definitely characteristic differences between memed-in problems and problems from the hardware getting built wonky or whatever, yeah
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it just doesn't seem fully distinguishing to me. if a meme gets you wrapped into a tight, inescapable loop that turns you into a kamikaze drone, that seems like a different kind of pathology from, like, hypothyroidism, but pathological as fuck
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Replying to @chaosprime @TRULY_RELAXED
and the overlap is enormous. cf leaded petrol.
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