the issue of mental illness in context of mass shootings is complicated, despite shooters generally being thoroughly fucked in the head, by the commitment on the woke left that mental illness, being a term of sympathy, is reserved for victim-coded people
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that is, people of oppressed identities can be mentally ill; cishet white males don't have mental illness, they have toxic masculinity and racism instead. this follows from the term calling for resources to be allocated to help; heretical resource allocation must be stamped out
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Replying to @chaosprime
I don’t know that many folks, left leaning or not, would classify Islamic terrorists as mentally ill. I’ve mostly seen that label applied to non-Islamic domestic terrorists (by both sides) irrespective of race.
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yeah, and that's interesting because while racism is obviously in it, it's not just that. the existence of a suicide agent indoctrination program going back to Hasan i Sabbah puts us in "brainwashing" territory, which for some reason we don't think of as a form of mental illness
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Replying to @chaosprime
Without sounding like I’m navel gazing here, is it really brainwashing? Or is it a valid but socially unacceptable ideology?
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jeez, how do we even tease those apart? the procedure i Sabbah is reputed to have used, involving drugs and intentionally falsified reality, is identifiably brainwashing, but my impression is that all that has survived of that is the conclusions people were led to reach from it
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can you brainwash people just with memes and social cognition? pretty sure, yeah, but if you stick to that it'll always be deniable
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Parsing the meaning of ‘intentionally falsifying reality’ is difficult m for me when I acknowledge that much of modern existence is a shared and consensual fabrication.
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sure, i was trying to differentiate the specific scenario of smoking somebody up on hash, having a bunch of women fuck him, then when he comes down telling him he was physically transported to heaven and that was a sample of his reward if he dies for the cause
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that's a much more focused intention and much more radical falsification than the usual thing
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