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    1. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 29
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      another service our antinatalist friends perform! normative rationalism proceeds by palming a card, reasoning to a point where an emotive judgment is elided because it's assumed to be universal; antinatalists show no such response is in fact universalhttps://twitter.com/chaosprime/status/1150605408454815745 …

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      yeah, this is why Spock Morality is dumb. reason cannot decide between courses of action; you can reason all the way to "this course of action will kill me and my entire species" but without an emotional/aesthetic judgment there's nothing to make that option better or worse
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    2. uel aramchek‏ @ThePatanoiac Jul 29
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      People who wring their hands about whether or not they can strictly reason their way to something being right or wrong tend to have the weakest moral judgment. You would think the parable of Solomon and the two mothers would have sunk in by now

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    3. June “Wakalix”, reluctant Heart player‏ @TWakalix Jul 29
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      What do you mean, “weakest”? The only way I can interpret this sensibly is if you think there’s an objective morality that you access through intuitions and “rational thinking” obscured those intuitions. (Or maybe a personal morality accessed through intuitions?)

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    4. June “Wakalix”, reluctant Heart player‏ @TWakalix Jul 29
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      For simple problems, this might be true, but I think people tend to oversimplify moral questions. The best way to know which action is best is to know what each action will lead to, which requires rational thinking.

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    5. June “Wakalix”, reluctant Heart player‏ @TWakalix Jul 29
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      Your moral intuitions can guide the outcome analysis (because you can’t analyze everything), and they are required to determine which outcome is best. But moral intuitions are not *sufficient* in all cases.

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 29
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      i absolutely concur that the methods of rationality are indispensable for analytic purposes. but one interesting tidbit is that if preference is only permitted at the beginning or end of the process, that allows very acute preference falsification pressure to be brought to bear

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    7. June “Wakalix”, reluctant Heart player‏ @TWakalix Jul 29
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      How’s that? (Is this about how there’s a “bottleneck” where Pure Emotionless Rationality is expected when determining the outcome of a particular action?)

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    8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 29
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      "bottleneck" is a good word for it, though idk if you mean the same one i do. if the only time you get to inject your intuition/emotions/aesthetics is in picking axioms or desired outcomes, it'd be irrational not to expect there to be immense pressure to choose the ~right~ ones

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    9. June “Wakalix”, reluctant Heart player‏ @TWakalix Jul 29
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      I don’t see how restricting the moral scope of intuitions, thus reducing their power, would lead to people caring *more* about which intuitions are used.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 29
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      it's a relative of the bikeshed effect. if you've got them in a box instead of woven deeply into a process, it's easy to point at them and pick them over

      12:16 PM - 29 Jul 2019
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        2. June “Wakalix”, reluctant Heart player‏ @TWakalix Jul 29
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          It’s separability/modularity? Makes sense.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 29
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          yeah exactly

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